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Old 05-20-2004, 11:19 AM   #106
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I believe it will help Bush because it will push more moderates to the right.

It is hard to say, when I have not seen the movie, however, when I say Mr. Moore's name in the teacher's room at school, "most" people recoil in horror. Just an observation.

The funny part is, I take Mr. Moore's side because of this.....
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:46 AM   #107
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The Bush administration is doing quite well on its own in exposing itself to the world. It is unraveling just fine all by itself. I doubt Moore's movie will have much impact one way or the other.
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I believe it will help Bush because it will push more moderates to the right.
I'm not entirely convinced by this. While I agree that if people see the movie and hate it they might be pushed further to the right politically, I don't think that's necessarily going to help Bush. In my experience, Moore is considered to be fairly far to the left, certainly more so than the Democratic party and so people disliking this film certainly won't equate to them disliking the Democratic candidate and choosing to vote for Bush instead.

I'm quite sceptical about the extent to which a film can influence the outcome of a presidential election anyway.
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Old 05-20-2004, 12:59 PM   #109
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MY point is elections are not won or lost by the left or the right of any party. The electuion is won by winning the center between the two parties.

I think Moore will help push the center towards Bush. Just an opinion.

I also agree that movies tend not to be that influential, however, this is about a topic that is so painful for many that I cannot see it having an impact one way or another.
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Kerry - McCain ticket -Yea!!

Ok that was a derailment.
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McCain is such a bitch.
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if john kerry is seriously considering using a republican as his vice president, then he really doesn't think he has much of a chance now does he?
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Kerry will get more help from the George Butler film (in progress) than from Moore's diatribe on film. Especially if he gets to help shape the content....
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Old 05-20-2004, 04:45 PM   #114
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I would have to consider Kerry McCain
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I hardly think Moore is that influential to push voters.

By the same token you can argue that Bush himself is pushing all the ultra-left voters to Kerry simply because they figure that nothing and nobody could possibly be worse than the current president/administration.
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I hardly think Moore is that influential to push voters.

By the same token you can argue that Bush himself is pushing all the ultra-left voters to Kerry simply because they figure that nothing and nobody could possibly be worse than the current president/administration.
This is going on in Birmingham. The die-hard Kucinich supporters here are going to vote for Kerry in November because they're so anti-Bush. They want him out big time and they are going to pull the classic "hold the nose and vote" act for this reason. It's almost scary to read some of these notes. They're not exactly crazy about Kerry, but Bush........they *hate* him with a passion.
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I hardly think Moore is that influential to push voters.

By the same token you can argue that Bush himself is pushing all the ultra-left voters to Kerry simply because they figure that nothing and nobody could possibly be worse than the current president/administration.
The ultra left would never vote for Bush.

The battle is for the center vote. It is what was helping McCain when he was running.
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Yes, but you are missing the point.

The ultra left would never vote for Kerry either. They would vote for Nader / independent. Kerry will get votes which he would not otherwise get here. I know many, many people who would not vote for him were his competition anyone other than Bush.

As for center voters - do you REALLY think that a Moore movie is more influential than Bush's pathetic record, the ultimate mess and chaos that is Iraq and the Middle East, the soaring gas prices, and the shit economy? Let's get real here. If you are a true centrist, who will vote based on what you think is most beneficial to yourself, I don't see how Bush is it at all.
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mr. moore's "documentary" won best film at canne's...
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The French liked Jerry Lewis movies as well.
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