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I think the R rating will hurt distributiion because it does significantly drop the ammount of people who see it, on the flipside it makes the movie even more controversial so it could compensate for the lost parts, the goal is to get people talking and I think it will do this.

I don't trust World Net Daily in regards to that news bit but it was widely reported last week that Hezbola volunteered to help distribution all over the ME.
 
deep said:
17 year olds should not be aloud to see it.
they're one year away from being ellgible to vote!
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from www.michaelmoore.com

On top of all this, the MPAA gave the film an "R" rating. I want all teenagers to see this film. There is nothing in the film in terms of violence that we didn't see on TV every night at the dinner hour during the Vietnam War. Of course, that's the point, isn't it? The media have given the real footage from Iraq a "cleansing" -- made it look nice, easy to digest. Mario Cuomo has offered to be our lawyer in appealing this ruling by the MPAA. Frankly, I would like to think the MPAA is saying that the actions by the Bush administration are so abhorrent and revolting, we need to protect our children from seeing what they have done. In that case, the film should be rated NC-17!

However it turns out, I trust all of you teenagers out there will find your way into a theater to see this movie. If the government believes it is OK to send slightly older teenagers to their deaths in Iraq, I think at the very least you should be allowed to see what they are going to draft you for in a couple of years.
 
I managed to see it this afternoon. Right now my mind is buzzing w/ so many thoughts, it's so difficult to put into words. One thing I was happy about was the number of senior citizens at the showing I went to. Unfortunately even though teens can get in w/ an adult, there were hardly any there:(

I know Michael Moore is so skilled at what he does-putting together a film which is perfectly tailored to his viewpoint. But I was blown away by it-there is information in there (things that are documented that he can't be making up) that I don't think too many people know, or maybe (probably) I'm just far too ignorant.

The part that got to me the most was the woman from Flint, MI whose son died in Iraq. When you see the movie, you'll understand. I just couldn't hold back and cried like a baby..I think it was also just the culmination of the previous content of the movie as well. The war footage/footage from Walter Reed hospital is shocking and so powerful as well.

I can think for myself and know what Mr Moore is up to, but there's no denying imho the basic truths that are in this movie. Eye opening and quite moving -people clapped at the end, and so did I, while I was still wiping away tears.

It was a powerful 2 hrs that I won't soon forget. I think you have to see it twice to recall important information and details.
 
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I won't have a chance to judge this film. They're not showing it anywhere in Alabama. This really pisses me off. I should at least get to see the thing.:mad: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
 
Brilliant movie, absolutely.

In Toronto, West end suburbia, they had to open a second simultaneous screen at the same time to accomodate ticket demand. Completely full to the last seat, and I can only imagine what it is like downtown in the "leftist" areas. And this was a huge cineplex. The movie is solid gold, in terms of earning potential, IMO.

My thoughts go out to the Lipscomb family - so utterly devastating and tragic that there won't be a dry eye in the audience. "I just want him alive again." And reading the son's letter from Iraq, it was heartwrenching.

Also, the elderly Iraqi woman who kept sobbing about her home destroyed and 5 members of her family killed is a must-see scene, particularly for people who still fail to see why terrorism happens. Look at this small little woman screaming "Allah, you are the only one I can lean on, Allah, avenge my family, Allah destroy their homes too..." and you will see how terrorism is bred and maybe start to understand why some kid in that family will grow up with hatred in his heart.

Very difficult movie to see. I think it has real potential to stir people's hearts and it is not you average Michael Moore film. You hardly see him at all, and when you do, he is not up to his usual outrageous antics.

What was really amazing is that exiting the theatre, everyone was like "we are voting Liberal on Monday". In Canada, the Liberals and Conservatives are neck and neck, but this movie is such a vote swinger. I sincerely hope the trend is the same in the US.
 
Anitram, your post was excellent! You mentioned what I thought were the two most powerful scenes of the movie: Lila Lipscomb talking about her son and saying she wants him alive, and the elderly, grieving Iraqi woman. Those moments had me in tears.
I have been all over the Internet since I came home, looking for other reactions to this movie. I keep reading that the theatres are near or at full capacity, and the audiences are very responsive. Of course, the question is whether Moore is preaching to the already converted, which very well could be the case.
An interesting point about the showing I saw was when people were leaving the theatre, a man was handing out voter registration forms--and many people were taking them. I thanked him and told him I loved what he was doing.
Great, great movie!!!
 
In my town of 75,000 people, the movie sold out every showing for the whole weekend in advanced sales on Tuesday.

It is a brilliant film, a serious and deeply moving film. See it.
 
It is very powerful and well worth your time. I was also moved to tears by Lila and other parts made me laugh out loud.
The entire sold out audience clapped at the end here in conservative rural Ohio.
 
anitram said:
What was really amazing is that exiting the theatre, everyone was like "we are voting Liberal on Monday". In Canada, the Liberals and Conservatives are neck and neck, but this movie is such a vote swinger. I sincerely hope the trend is the same in the US.
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Good point. I posted on another forum regarding the same subject...

Interestingly enough, in the heart of conservative Canada... there were two theatres within Harper's constituency that sold out all showings hours in advance. The viewing I saw (at one of those places) had ovations and support throughout the movie. It's a shame that the Moore audience probably represents the greatest cross-section of non-voters. Hopefully the movie will at least get them to the voting stations... regardless of their choice.
 
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Popmartijn said:

Really? :eyebrow::D

*can't think of many other movies that gross more than $8*

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Marty
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Yep--$8 million in a day. I can't imagine what it would have been like if it weren't for all these stupid self-appointed censors who felt like it was their duty to keep this movie from being seen. The jerks. I don't think these jerks in any way represent true patriotic Americans who aren't afraid of freedom. No offense to the many fine patriotic Americans right here in FYM. You guys are cool.
 
Verte, I was amzzed that a regular cinema like Cinemark was showing the movie. I thought I'd have to go to Cleveland and an artsy theatre to see it like I did Columbine. Money talks I guess.
 
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Verte, I was amzzed that a regular cinema like Cinemark was showing the movie. I thought I'd have to go to Cleveland and an artsy theatre to see it like I did Columbine. Money talks I guess.
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Yes. I was shocked to find out today that a theatre in Birmingham is indeed showing "Farenheit". We're going sometime this week to see it. They couldn't keep one theatre owner from showing it several times a day. The place is packed.
 
Extraordinary numbers just coming in....

$21.8 million on ONLY 868 screens.

Compare that with the #2 movie:

$19.6 million on 2726 screens.

That's pretty mindblowing, actually. Makes you laugh at all those comments about how Disney has a right to make sure it's protecting its investments and therefore should dump F9/11 to avoid losses, LOL.
 
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FizzingWhizzbees said:


R rated means you have to be 17 years old or older to see the movie, unless you're accompanied by an adult.
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Funny story...

I went to get tickets yesterday afternoon, and found out that I could only get tickets for the 10PM showing (Everything else had been sold out for the weekend and that they added a 12:45am showing due to demand. I live in a college town of 100,000 surrounded by little more than corn and soy fileds). There was a woman who was picking up three tickets she purchased online for the 5pm showing. She planned on giving all three tickets to teenagers (her kids and friends). The theater manager told her that the teens would need to be escorted INTO THE THEATER and needed to have an adult escort for the whole movie. It seems as if the local authorities have decided to crack down on this theater and the R rating. Nice. This while I am sure the two Multiplexes are getting away with the "under 17" crowd freely seeing ANY "R rated" movie they wish.
 
I never liked moore because he streches the truth etc. but that review makes me think that i should go to a cinema and watch it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/02/opinion/02KRUG.html?th

Moore's Public Service
By PAUL KRUGMAN

...These people see the film to learn true stories they should have heard elsewhere, but didn't. Mr. Moore may not be considered respectable, but his film is a hit because the respectable media haven't been doing their job.

For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading "My Pet Goat" with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush's decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.
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But not now. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a tendentious, flawed movie, but it tells essential truths about leaders who exploited a national tragedy for political gain, and the ordinary Americans who paid the price.
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I recomend people see it, and then investigate the questions it raises and make up their own minds, remember myth and countermyth do not make the truth.
 
I thought this was an interesting little tidbit, from the NY Post

July 13, 2004 -- Michael Moore messed with the wrong rocker when he charged that The Who's Pete Townshend refused to allow his classic hit "Won't Get Fooled Again" to be used in "Fahrenheit 9/11." Biting back on his Web site, Townshend said the reason the song wasn't used was not because he was for the war in Iraq (which he admits he was), but because he doesn't trust Moore's accuracy in reporting and regards Moore as a bully. "When first approached, I knew nothing about the content of his film 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' " Townshend writes. "I had not really been convinced by 'Bowling for Columbine,' and had been worried about its accuracy . . . Once I had an idea what the film was about, I was 90 percent certain my song was not right for them." The rock legend continued, "I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him in interviews just because he didn't get what he wanted from me. It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and willful man at the center of his new documentary . . . [Moore will] have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar."
 
Townshend and more....

Michael Moore, Ugly American

"It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and willful man at the centre of his documentary," Townshend observed.

Ouch. As "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released into theaters around the world, Moore is beginning to face a new kind of criticism. On American talk radio, Moore may be denounced as practically anti-American. In the international online media, the pudgy filmmaker from Flint, Michigan, is often seen as all too American. He is more than occasionally described as a stereotypical "ugly American" -- overbearing to people of different cultures, oblivious to nuance, unsophisticated in politics and arrogant in temperament.
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Re: Townshend and more....

nbcrusader said:
He is more than occasionally described as a stereotypical "ugly American" -- overbearing to people of different cultures, oblivious to nuance, unsophisticated in politics and arrogant in temperament.
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An apt description of Bush, actually.
 
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