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Old 05-06-2004, 04:23 AM   #31
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Moore must be revelling in this hype. Martyr.
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Old 05-06-2004, 05:51 AM   #32
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Nice. Wrap yourself up in a conspiracy involving a Bush. Michael Moore is such a victim.

It is more likely that a sloppy anti-Bush film would be a box office bomb
Even if it was terrible, check Bowling For Colombine's stats. Check the sales stats for his books. I'd bet this film would make enough in it's opening weekend that if word got out that it sucked, and hardly anyone saw it from that point on, it would still make a handsome profit.

There's no way anyone would block anything by Michael Moore based on the belief that it won't sell. It will sell, and it will sell loads.

Can't believe your boycott obsessed culture either. Why?!?
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Can't believe your boycott obsessed culture either. Why?!?
It's the French in them.

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Old 05-06-2004, 07:17 AM   #34
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He has known for over a year....

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[Q]"Heading into Cannes, you've got this whole controversy that people will be talking about - Miramax not being able to release the film. It adds to the mystique of the film, it adds to the danger," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations.

"With a lot of filmmakers, this would not be a good thing," he said. "When it comes to Michael Moore, there's not really a downside to him to have controversy."
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040505/D82CMK380.html
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I look forward to seeing it

I find it funny that some people hate him SO much. He seems like a real genuinely nice guy
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if it's all about "the art"

if it's all about "letting the truth be told"

if it's all about "freedom of speech"

if it's all about "the information that the public is allowed to see"

then why is this an issue for mr. moore and miramax?

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Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.
disney doesn't want to release it? fine... go find someone else to release it... ohhhhhh that's right, then you'd have to split the profits with someone else. damn those greedy conglomerates... how dare they deny mr. weinstein and mr. moore a chance to make more money! shame on you mickey mouse! shame on you!
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Old 05-06-2004, 11:25 AM   #38
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Michael Moore version of the Mickey Mouse Club Song

MIC.....

oh the censorship

KEY

y are they putting me down....


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I look forward to seeing it

I find it funny that some people hate him SO much. He seems like a real genuinely nice guy
I agree. I have a friend who worked with him on the music for one of his movies and he said Moore was genuinely nice, humble and amazing to work with, a completely positive experience.
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there is, of course, not complete censorship: consider the persistence of chomsky as well as moore. but these are people who exist, at best, on the fringes of the mainstream and thus, occassionally, turn to guerilla tactics for publicity-such as it appears moore may be doing, again.

when a system is intended to suppress certain points of view, alternative means will be employed to disseminate information.
Right on, Kobe.
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Shouldn't the "system" have the right to not be associated with someone who clearly makes moves that bend the facts.
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No - look at Fox and the Oshittly Factor.
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Shouldn't the "system" have the right to not be associated with someone who clearly makes moves that bend the facts.
of course the system, or establishment or whatever silly term we use (the MAN?), has the right of selective association.

my point is a number of the systems characteristics amount to censorship: the least of which is the profit orientation of corporations. these characteristics are inter-related and that is arguably the most central, but they also include the intimate relationship between government and corporations and the role corporations play in the curriculum of education and the discourse occurring within the public sphere (in which the mainstream media determines a significant amount).

within this framework which i contend represents 'the mainstream', it is preferred that some things go unmentioned. still, some do get mentioned but only at the fringes, such as chomsky or moore.

this framework pushes somewhat subversive commentary to the fringes as it promotes such things as 'freedom of speech' at the same time as commentators of moore's ilk are using the infrastructure which they are, in part, criticizing. the 'system' doesn't want them but by their own principles can't rid themselves, and the theorist criticizes the corporation at the same time as he must use them for there are no other options to spread his message.

of course moore could take his film elsewhere but, as someone pointed out, conditions may not be favorable. he is likely to find less profit and less reach. i don't think anyone is suggesting moore is not a profit taker-that does not discount him.

does U2 release cd singles as an artistic exhibition, or a profit taking excercise? i see moore's situation as little different.
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Excellent. To bad your not on the FCC board.
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The upshot of the controversy is that a heck of alot of people will want to see the movie, just to see what the fuss is about. Perhaps this whole thing was scripted?
Well, if it worked for Mel Gibson..........
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