Greetings everyone,
I saw the Iraq thread is closed but still wanted the opportunity to respond to Ultraviolet7 post, although this is 3 days late. I also think that US foreign Policy is an important discussion topic since its effects on the world are huge. I realize there are many different view points and opinions across the globe. I will try to present mine in the most respectful manner possible.
Ultraviolet stated that the USA is not interested in democracies throughout the world but rather first world interest. But first world interest includes peace, stability, and capitalism. Democratic governments help bring this about. Of course, sometimes the only alternative is a left leaning dictatorship vs. a right leaning dictatorship. In those cases, the lesser of two evils is supported.
Saddam Hussain was not created by the west. He came to power in 1978/1979 and was already on his way to controlling Iraq long before the Shah of Iran was overthrown. Iraq back has always been a client state of the SOVIET UNION. I have tons of charts and statistics from the "International Institute Of Strategic Studies" based in London which clearly shows the type of military equipment Iraq has used and where they purchased it. 95% of Iraq's military equipment came from the Soviet Union and to a smaller extent China. If there is any country guilty of building Saddam, it is the Soviet Union that sold Iraq Billions of dollars of tanks, APCs, Jets, missiles, and other equipment for decades. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990, there were over 2,000 Soviet military advisors in Iraq, who did not leave until just prior to the start of the Gulf War in January 1991.
If need be, I can list every type of tank or other piece of equipment that Iraq has used in the past and where it came from. In the 1970s, Iran was a client state of the USA to counter balance the Soviets Iraq. But then the Iranian revolution happened and the US really did not have much to do with either state. Trucks, a few transport helicopters, and some sattelite info on Iranian military positions, was all the help the US offered Iraq in the 1980s. The Soviets were supplying them with thousands of tanks, Jet fighters, artillery and other equipment, in addition to on the spot training by 2,000 Soviet military advisors, training them in Soviet tactics.
Hussain was not unseated by the USA in 1991 because the USA failed to establish that as the international mandate. It was difficult enough to get people willing to invade and retake Kuwait. 47 US Senators, mainly democrats voted to continue sanctions rather that kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. 53 Repuplican Senators(10 were democratic) voted to invade kick them out. There was no support though internationally or domesticaly to go all the way to Baghdad. With the constraints that the USA was under back then, Bush made the right choice.
The USA did not create the Taliban either. This was created by schools in western Pakistan, and largely supported by Pakistan to crush their political enemies in the Northern Alliance. Both the Northern Alliance and members who would eventually become part of the Taliban were apart of the mujahadeen that resisted Soviet Occupation in the 1980s. If oil was the main interest in Afghanistan, the USA would have been involved there decades ago. The USA has accomplished most of its first goal in Afghanistan which is why the operation isn't as large as it was. Bin Laden is most likely dead. He was last heard from in December. Nothing can confirm this though, but Al Quada as an organization has moved from Afghanistan for the most part. Its questionable if it is still a viable organization. They have failed to strike the USA in any way since 9/11.
In South America, the USA supported what it believed at the time was the lesser of two evils. It is in the interest of the USA to develop Latin America both economically and democratically. A more prosperous latin America creates the opportunity for US companies to export goods and services. Exports create jobs! Democratic governments are better suited to capitalism and free markets. I have a friend that goes to South America every month in the Steel business. Another one of my good friends was just in Rio Brazil training people who will replace him and his coworkers in the job they were previously doing. EDS is a big company and it is hiring and developing its operations in Brazil, which is great for Brazilians since these are good computer jobs.
Economic and Democratic development takes along time. Its taken the USA 200 years to get to this point. But it does and will happen around the world where the funding is there, and the policies are sound. Just look at Eastern Europe! I don't see NATO installing dicatorships in Bosnia or Kosovo. Rather they helped to unseat one in Belgrade and are trying to keep peace and develop strong democratic governments in that region.
Capitalism benefits from free trade and new markets that are strong enough to take part in international trade. Free Trade between Mexico and the USA has increased Mexico's GDP and created jobs there, as well as creating more jobs than were lost in the USA. If the economy in South American collapses are does poorly, I have two friends large American businesses that will suffer. So contrary to others opinions, the goal of US business and the US government is for democracy and capitalism to succeed in South America. We have a Canada to the north that is great for US business and has a standard of living considered better than the USA. Thats what the US government and businesses want to see south of the border as well, countries as economically and democratically developed as are largest trading partner CANADA. Besides the business benifits, the other side effects of development are less illegal immigration and it helps the drug war in that people will have alternatives to growing and selling drugs, when the country becomes economically developed on the level of a western European country.
The US goal in the cold war was to contain communism while at the same time to try and expand the number of countries that had governments and economies similar to its own. The US succeeded in the first goal and is still trying to achieve the second which could take centuries.
I saw the Iraq thread is closed but still wanted the opportunity to respond to Ultraviolet7 post, although this is 3 days late. I also think that US foreign Policy is an important discussion topic since its effects on the world are huge. I realize there are many different view points and opinions across the globe. I will try to present mine in the most respectful manner possible.
Ultraviolet stated that the USA is not interested in democracies throughout the world but rather first world interest. But first world interest includes peace, stability, and capitalism. Democratic governments help bring this about. Of course, sometimes the only alternative is a left leaning dictatorship vs. a right leaning dictatorship. In those cases, the lesser of two evils is supported.
Saddam Hussain was not created by the west. He came to power in 1978/1979 and was already on his way to controlling Iraq long before the Shah of Iran was overthrown. Iraq back has always been a client state of the SOVIET UNION. I have tons of charts and statistics from the "International Institute Of Strategic Studies" based in London which clearly shows the type of military equipment Iraq has used and where they purchased it. 95% of Iraq's military equipment came from the Soviet Union and to a smaller extent China. If there is any country guilty of building Saddam, it is the Soviet Union that sold Iraq Billions of dollars of tanks, APCs, Jets, missiles, and other equipment for decades. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990, there were over 2,000 Soviet military advisors in Iraq, who did not leave until just prior to the start of the Gulf War in January 1991.
If need be, I can list every type of tank or other piece of equipment that Iraq has used in the past and where it came from. In the 1970s, Iran was a client state of the USA to counter balance the Soviets Iraq. But then the Iranian revolution happened and the US really did not have much to do with either state. Trucks, a few transport helicopters, and some sattelite info on Iranian military positions, was all the help the US offered Iraq in the 1980s. The Soviets were supplying them with thousands of tanks, Jet fighters, artillery and other equipment, in addition to on the spot training by 2,000 Soviet military advisors, training them in Soviet tactics.
Hussain was not unseated by the USA in 1991 because the USA failed to establish that as the international mandate. It was difficult enough to get people willing to invade and retake Kuwait. 47 US Senators, mainly democrats voted to continue sanctions rather that kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. 53 Repuplican Senators(10 were democratic) voted to invade kick them out. There was no support though internationally or domesticaly to go all the way to Baghdad. With the constraints that the USA was under back then, Bush made the right choice.
The USA did not create the Taliban either. This was created by schools in western Pakistan, and largely supported by Pakistan to crush their political enemies in the Northern Alliance. Both the Northern Alliance and members who would eventually become part of the Taliban were apart of the mujahadeen that resisted Soviet Occupation in the 1980s. If oil was the main interest in Afghanistan, the USA would have been involved there decades ago. The USA has accomplished most of its first goal in Afghanistan which is why the operation isn't as large as it was. Bin Laden is most likely dead. He was last heard from in December. Nothing can confirm this though, but Al Quada as an organization has moved from Afghanistan for the most part. Its questionable if it is still a viable organization. They have failed to strike the USA in any way since 9/11.
In South America, the USA supported what it believed at the time was the lesser of two evils. It is in the interest of the USA to develop Latin America both economically and democratically. A more prosperous latin America creates the opportunity for US companies to export goods and services. Exports create jobs! Democratic governments are better suited to capitalism and free markets. I have a friend that goes to South America every month in the Steel business. Another one of my good friends was just in Rio Brazil training people who will replace him and his coworkers in the job they were previously doing. EDS is a big company and it is hiring and developing its operations in Brazil, which is great for Brazilians since these are good computer jobs.
Economic and Democratic development takes along time. Its taken the USA 200 years to get to this point. But it does and will happen around the world where the funding is there, and the policies are sound. Just look at Eastern Europe! I don't see NATO installing dicatorships in Bosnia or Kosovo. Rather they helped to unseat one in Belgrade and are trying to keep peace and develop strong democratic governments in that region.
Capitalism benefits from free trade and new markets that are strong enough to take part in international trade. Free Trade between Mexico and the USA has increased Mexico's GDP and created jobs there, as well as creating more jobs than were lost in the USA. If the economy in South American collapses are does poorly, I have two friends large American businesses that will suffer. So contrary to others opinions, the goal of US business and the US government is for democracy and capitalism to succeed in South America. We have a Canada to the north that is great for US business and has a standard of living considered better than the USA. Thats what the US government and businesses want to see south of the border as well, countries as economically and democratically developed as are largest trading partner CANADA. Besides the business benifits, the other side effects of development are less illegal immigration and it helps the drug war in that people will have alternatives to growing and selling drugs, when the country becomes economically developed on the level of a western European country.
The US goal in the cold war was to contain communism while at the same time to try and expand the number of countries that had governments and economies similar to its own. The US succeeded in the first goal and is still trying to achieve the second which could take centuries.