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Old 09-26-2006, 02:36 PM   #1
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Hi, I don't post here much, but...has anyone here ever discussed the religion (some call it an "irreligion"--whatever) called Discordianism? I don't consider myself a Discordian, but i do find it fascinating...evidently its matron deity is Eris, the Greek goddess of strife. Basically this religion has to do with chaos. but there's so much more. Here's the web address of one of the best-known Discordian "holy books", in HTML format:
principiadiscordia.com
at that site there are also forums (which i tried to join, but my account still hasn't been activated ) and other stuff...not sure if there are links, but...
also try these:
23ae.com
and
poee.co.uk

EDIT: sorry, i guess you'll have to copy and paste these addresses into the address bar.
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Old 09-26-2006, 06:06 PM   #2
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I read some of it. The last time something like that made any sense to me, I'd tried some Colombian Gold. No offense, but can you give me the shortened version?
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[the following is from the Principia, which is not copyrighted but rather kopylefted. the sacred chao referred to here looks like a yin-yang except with a pentagon in place of one of the spots and an apple in place of the other.]

THE SACRED CHAO is the key to illumination. Devised by the Apostle Hung Mung in ancient China, it was modified and popularized by the Taoists and is sometimes called the YIN-YANG. The Sacred Chao is not the Yin-Yang of the Taoists. It is the HODGE-PODGE of the Erisians. And, instead of a Podge spot on the Hodge side, it has a PENTAGON which symbolizes the ANERISTIC PRINCIPLE, and instead of a Hodge spot on the Podge side, it depicts the GOLDEN APPLE OF DISCORDIA to symbolize the ERISTIC PRINCIPLE.

The Sacred Chao symbolizes absolutely everything anyone need ever know about absolutely anything, and more! It even symbolizes everything not worth knowing, depicted by the empty space surrounding the Hodge-Podge.

HERE FOLLOWS SOME PSYCHO-METAPHYSICS.
If you are not hot for philosophy, best just to skip it.

The Aneristic Principle is that of APPARENT ORDER; the Eristic Principle is that of APPARENT DISORDER. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of PURE CHAOS, which is a level deeper that is the level of distinction making.

With our concept making apparatus called "mind" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about- reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently. It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T True) reality is a level deeper that is the level of concept.

We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids.
A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The ORDER is in the GRID. That is the Aneristic Principle.

Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the ANERISTIC ILLUSION. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.

DISORDER is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the ERISTIC PRINCIPLE.

The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the ERISTIC ILLUSION.

The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that (capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered.

Reality is the original Rorschach.

Verily! So much for all that.

The PODGE of the Sacred Chao is symbolized as The Golden Apple of Discordia, which represents the Eristic Principle of Disorder. The writing on it, "KALLISTI" is Greek for "TO THE PRETTIEST ONE" and refers to an old myth about The Goddess. But the Greeks had only a limited understanding of Disorder, and thought it to be a negative principle.

The Pentagon represents the Aneristic Principle of Order and symbolizes the HODGE. The Pentagon has several references; for one, it can be taken to represent geometry, one of the earliest studies of formal order to reach elaborate development;* for another, it specifically accords with THE LAW OF FIVES.

THE TRUTH IS FIVE BUT MEN HAVE ONLY ONE NAME FOR IT.
-Patamunzo Lingananda

It is also the shape of the United States Military Headquarters, the Pentagon Building, a most pregnant manifestation of straightjacket order resting on a firm foundation of chaos and constantly erupting into dazzling disorder; and this building is one of our more cherished Erisian Shrines. Also it so happens that in times of medieval magic, the pentagon was the generic symbol for werewolves, but this reference is not particularly intended and it should be noted that the Erisian Movement does not discriminate against werewolves-- our membership roster is open to persons of all races, national origins and hobbies.
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[more from the Principia:]

To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.

The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.

POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.

Seek the Sacred Chao - therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:29 PM   #5
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SHORTENED VERSION:

Creative=good
Destructive=bad

Creative can be orderly or disorderly. Ditto for destructive.
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I once went to a Discordian wedding. That was an adventure.
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:02 PM   #7
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ooh! tell me more, verte!
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:23 PM   #8
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Wow, Discordian U2 fans! Love it.

Thanks for posting this thread!
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you're welcome! but, i'm actually not Discordian. I just find it to be fascinating.
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The wedding was at one of my historical group meetings. The couple wore Renaissance costumes. I don't know how long it took some lady to sew a gazillion pearls onto the bride's dress. They carried candles and we picked up candles and walked in a circle behind them. That was the only light in the room, the overheads had been turned off to create a medieval type of ambience. It was an interesting experience.
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sweet, thanks verte!
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I forgot to mention the party. That was great! It was at a place where alcoholic drinks weren't allowed, and neither were modern looking objects, so everybody drank fruit juice from their medieval style cups and then there was a dance.
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