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Old 02-15-2003, 10:11 AM   #16
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Old 02-15-2003, 10:44 AM   #17
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Re: "disarm or be disarmed" Sen. Hillary Clinton

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As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.
Interesting...
I heard UN Secretary Kofi Annan make the exact same point on an item they showed yesterday on Dutch television. I don't know if it was very recent or from about the same period as when Sen. Clinton delivered her speech. Still, this means that inspections are useful.

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If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?
And with recent developments in mind, add North-Korea to that list. And maybe also Israel (but that might depend on the government Sharon can create).

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I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.
This was also a thought that occurred to me yesterday. What if the USA attacks Iraq and ousts Saddam. According to US statements that would not take very long. However, it would give Saddam a reason to use possible ABC weapons (should he have them, Blix has said again there's still no proof he has them). And if he does not give the order himself, some lowly general may think it's a wise thing to do. Even if there is no use of those weapons during a war, what happens when Saddam is gone. Now the USA is stating that Saddam is still hiding those weapons (although they do not provide evidence to back it up). But apparently, nobody knows where those weapons are. With Saddam gone, many people will be in charge of those possible weapons (compare this with the dissolvement of the USSR, instead of a nuclear superpower, the world got 4 or 5 nuclear states, some under dubious control).
As long as the inspections have effect, it's the best option to search for those rumoured weapons.

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So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.
Hopefully Bush can re-read this last paragraph a couple of times.


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maybe if hillary runs for president we can finally find out how Vince Foster shot himself in the head twice in his apparent suicide.
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maybe if hillary runs for president we can finally find out how Vince Foster shot himself in the head twice in his apparent suicide.
Who is Vince Foster and what has he to do with Iraq?

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Who is Vince Foster and what has he to do with Iraq?

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former white house deputy council, good friend of the clintons, alleged to have had an affair with hillary, and was to be a key wittness in the whitewater case, before his miraculous 2 entry wound suicide, that is, kept him from ever appearing in court

has nothing at all to do with iraq... does have to do with the honorable senator from my great home state of new york... needless to say i voted for lazio, who had no chance 'cause, well, he was 12 years old. rudy giulliani would have beaten here if prostate cancer hadn't forced him to drop out of the race, but if rudy had ended up winning the senate seat, he wouldn't have been mayor on 9/11... and i'll trade having to suffer through that carpet-bagger using my state to boost her own political future for a few years for having rudy there when the city needed him most any day.
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