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Old 11-10-2005, 10:58 AM   #1
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did the US use chemical weapons in Fallujah?

[q]US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah
By Peter Popham
Published: 08 November 2005

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.

"They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle325560.ece

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"They were warned to get out. They should have known better.

Also the UN resolutions authorised this" - STING2
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warning: ultra-gruesome link.

http://www.uruknet.com/?s1=55&p=17582&s2=09
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Oh my God, why did I look...
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I say Canada should invade the US. Hell, they've got lots of WMD and a leader acting rather authoritarian these days...
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where is this ? In kurdistan ?
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fallujah.
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Why isn't this in war?
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because it will get ignored there and turn into a shouting match between 3 different posters and numerous allusions to Proposition 1441 as justification for the use of White Phosphorous as more than an illuminatory agent.
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it should be in war.....
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While these incidents are no more or less tragic than any other civilian casualty in the war, to suggest that the white phosphorus was used as a weapon is misleading.
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it should be in war.....

well, since our Mission was Accomplished and there is no more war, i don't see the necessity of the forum. but my problems with that forum have been registered and disagreed with.
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While these incidents are no more or less tragic than any other civilian casualty in the war, to suggest that the white phosphorus was used as a weapon is misleading.
Why?
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While these incidents are no more or less tragic than any other civilian casualty in the war, to suggest that the white phosphorus was used as a weapon is misleading.


well, it seems to have functioned as a weapon and killed civilians -- all that collatoral damage that gets brushed off by us with a sort of "oh well, that's what happens in war" when, really, it's should be an "oh well, that's what happens to innocent civilians when we start a war" -- in a rather gruesome fashion that is indeed reminiscent of the ugliest days of the Hussein Regime and the Iran/Iraq war.

doing more reading on this, it doesn't seem to me as if the question is whether we've technically violated any treaty obligations. it seems as if White Phosporus is technically legal.

for me, the issue here is the use of this weapon, and it's inevitable side effects, further erodes whatever moral standing we have left. we invaded because of Saddam's use of chemical weapons and, as an afterthought when it turns out that there weren't any WMDs to begin with, his appaling treatment of his peopel and especially torture. well, now we torture and use White Phosporus.

however, it remains to be see if WP was used solely a battlefield illumination mechanism, for which it seems to have a legitimate purpose, or whether it was intentionally used as anti-personnel munition. or, does such a distinction matter when its use -- whether legitimate or not -- becomes a de facto chemical attack on innocent civilians?
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