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Old 11-19-2007, 01:02 PM   #16
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It's amazing what a difference there is between Detroit and Windsor... For one thing, Widsor has street lights...
Hey, I know for a fact that South Detroit has street lights.

BonoManiac, there have been slight improvements since 1996, but overall, what they say in the article about it not doing a damn thing to turn things around is true. Young people are leaving the city in droves, as well as older people who have been forced to retire from their jobs at the Big Three due to the economy sucking so much. And, if the economy is sucking, then big shock - crime spikes way the hell up.
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:15 PM   #17
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Hey, I know for a fact that South Detroit has street lights.

BonoManiac, there have been slight improvements since 1996, but overall, what they say in the article about it not doing a damn thing to turn things around is true. Young people are leaving the city in droves, as well as older people who have been forced to retire from their jobs at the Big Three due to the economy sucking so much. And, if the economy is sucking, then big shock - crime spikes way the hell up.
I was just downtown a few weeks ago, and the area right around Joe Louis and the casino is quite nice now. There's some pretty good shopping in that area. I hadn't been into the city in about 5 years before that, even though I live about 20 minutes south of it, and I was pleasantly surprised at that 3 mile area.
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I hadn't been into the city in about 5 years before that, even though I live about 20 minutes south of it, and I was pleasantly surprised at that 3 mile area.
See, what you just said nails this right on the head. I was just there yesterday for the Lions game and if there hadn't been a game I bet anything the city would have been deserted.

Everyone in the suburbs, despite all the new additions (which are quite nice, as I do go downtown once every so often), is still too afraid to come to the city.

It's sad, really.
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See, what you just said nails this right on the head. I was just there yesterday for the Lions game and if there hadn't been a game I bet anything the city would have been deserted.

Everyone in the suburbs, despite all the new additions (which are quite nice, as I do go downtown once every so often), is still too afraid to come to the city.

It's sad, really.
I definitely feel worried about safety when I go there. I really shouldn't be, but there's just nothing appealing there, other than that short part of the downtown area. There's so many problems in every part of the city that I'd rather just stay away.
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See Richmond is weird in that it has the rich and poor right next to each other. You walk a block or two day or night and everything's fine. Take a wrong turn and you better be wearing full body armor. My friends at VCU have way too many stories of hearing gunshots outside their dorms, getting attacked in parking lots, etc.

Richmond has also had a higher murder rate than the entire island of Manhattan
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it would appear that the criminals moved across the river to camden.

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Camden's always been more dangerous than Philly. It was number one a few years ago. In fact, it's fallen to five, and Philly's moved up 8 spots to 21, so Philly is catching up.

Philly's murder rate is the highest, isn't it?
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No, Philly has the 9th highest murder rate (27.7 murders per 100,000 residents). Detroit's is highest (47.3 per 100,000 residents). Baltimore, New Orleans, Newark, St. Louis, Oakland, DC, and Cincy all have higher murder rates than Philly.
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Thanks for the stats.

Maybe it's just seemed like it lately. It's a mess downtown.
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I've never been to Detroit, but based on what I've heard from other people, that's not that surprising. I do find it slightly surprising that Denver isn't in the top 10, but hey, I'm not exactly complaining about that. Wonder where they'd rank?

How should we respond to the arguments that lists like this don't help matters, that they're not comparing things properly? I think there may be some merit in those arguments, but at the same time, do the reasons for why crime rises in a certain area really differ from place to place? It usually seems like it's the same few factors-poor economy, tension among certain groups of people, stuff like that.

In the meantime, everyone who lives in and around the Detroit area, as well as any other places that are a bit dodgy, stay safe, okay ?

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Don't forget that Sterling Heights and Troy, two Detroit suburbs, are in the top 20 safest cities to live in (based on the 2007 infoplease list).

Detroit has some pretty damn posh suburbs!!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html
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I'm surprised (and happy) that NJ is listed twice on the safe list!
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Don't forget that Sterling Heights and Troy, two Detroit suburbs, are in the top 20 safest cities to live in (based on the 2007 infoplease list).

Detroit has some pretty damn posh suburbs!!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html
It certainly does.

Too bad most of the people who live there don't want to spend their money in the city.
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I do find it slightly surprising that Denver isn't in the top 10, but hey, I'm not exactly complaining about that. Wonder where they'd rank?

How should we respond to the arguments that lists like this don't help matters, that they're not comparing things properly? I think there may be some merit in those arguments, but at the same time, do the reasons for why crime rises in a certain area really differ from place to place? It usually seems like it's the same few factors-poor economy, tension among certain groups of people, stuff like that.
Denver is the 87th "most dangerous" city (out of 371), according to their rankings (the complete lists are available here).

As far as criticisms, the most common ones leveled at this particular rankings series seem to be that A) they weight all six crime types considered equally; and B) there tends to be a built-in bias against older cities, since their (typically lower-crime) suburbs are less likely to count towards the crime stats for the city proper than those of younger cities, whose suburbs are more likely to be incorporated. In terms of "reasons," population densities, education levels, age demographics, family demographics, size and operating budgets of local law enforcement agencies, variations in reporting practices, and even climate are all often cited by criminologists, in addition to the two you mentioned.

Personally, I tend to think those are mostly questions of nuance, and not sufficient cause to dismiss the whole thing so long as it's kept in mind that it's only a very broad-stroke snapshot of where the biggest trouble spots are. But, I'm not a criminologist.
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For the most I certainly don't feel like I'm living in a dangerous place. There are certain parts of Oakland I definitely know to avoid, but Oakland is a big city.
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