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It's real, but you have to invite evil influences into your life 8 15.09%
No, not real; anyone claiming this is a mental case. 28 52.83%
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:12 PM   #91
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then there's an explanation for it.

but what about the tempature changing in the room and stuff flying around?

dimissing everything shows close-mindedness.

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When people are in stressful scenarios, like if I saw a guy who had a seizure right there on the street, their body temp will rise, therefore if I was looking for it, I could say I felt the earth's temp go up at that very moment; therefore global warming caused this man's seizure.

Why is it that these levitations or speaking in tongues never get caught on tape? Now of course all these things could be faked, but you would think these days at least one person would pick up their cellphone, and we could at least argue if there were strings or not...
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Why is it that these levitations or speaking in tongues never get caught on tape?
isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:21 PM   #93
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Mitt's hair is demon possessed
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:25 PM   #94
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isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?
Yeah, there's actually a lot of "tongues" and excorcisms caught on tape, but I really meant were the levitations, things spinning in the room, the voice that couldn't ever be replicated by a human; those types of things.

Speaking in tongues and having convulsions are too easy to fake, give me something new...
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isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?

I attended a Pentecostal church for several years and most of the speaking in "tongues" I witnessed and heard consisted of the same or very similar phrases repeated over and over again.

I was and still am of the opinion that these people were caught up more in the power of suggestion than they were in any kind of supernatural state. Whether they were aware of it or not, I believe they were just repeating nonsensical words or phrases they had heard other church members saying in the midst of a very frenzied style of worship. In other words, the speaking in tongues seemed to be contagious, rather than a spontaneous "supernatural" act.

Ancient extinct language? Doubtful.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:59 PM   #96
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23, the number of the Illuminati, how original.

I've never had lucid dreams. Just some dreams where I dreamt I would punch, and then actually really punched and hit things beside my bed.
And sometimes, right in the state of falling asleep, I would dream to fall over or something like that, and then it would feel like I do so and I would wake up again. That's fun in a strange kind of way.
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I would dream to fall over or something like that, and then it would feel like I do so and I would wake up again. That's fun in a strange kind of way.

I get those "falling" then wake up dreams, too.


They say humans are only born with two fears:


falling

loud noises

all others are learned. (HELL, skin color, disco music, etc.)
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The problem with all of this, at its core, is that it is always based on specious and/or weak evidence.

In terms of its relation to the Catholic Church, there is likely no insistence that believers accept the existence of demon possession. Plus, when it comes to things like Marian apparitions, they are taken by the Vatican especially skeptically, and only after they are satisfied by sufficient proof that it cannot be explained by any non-supernatural explanation will they accept that it is worthy of belief.

Basically, while demonic possessions and whatnot will always hit a point where it boils down to personal faith, supporters are just flat-out going to have to do their homework and do the scientific research required and offer it up to the scientific community. That will also include offering up such "possessed" people to the field of conventional psychiatry. There are strong indications that people who are under extreme guilt and who believe it is possible to be possessed by a demon can degenerate into such a psychiatric state as to act out what they think such a "possession" would be like. Such hysteria is similar to those during the era of the Salem Witch Trials, who, believing it to be possible for witches to wreak havoc on their lives, most passionately would believe that they had seen witches. Likewise, it appears that only those who believe that demon possessions can happen ever seem to get "possessed."

There is considerable reason to be skeptical.
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I was and still am of the opinion that these people were caught up more in the power of suggestion than they were in any kind of supernatural state. Whether they were aware of it or not, I believe they were just repeating nonsensical words or phrases they had heard other church members saying in the midst of a very frenzied style of worship. In other words, the speaking in tongues seemed to be contagious, rather than a spontaneous "supernatural" act.
It is likely a group trance-like state. Many African tribes have similar rituals. Repetitive actions quite clearly can have an effect on the mind, and can be induced consciously.
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schizophrenia is ugly, i agree.
Brother, I know schizophrenics, and that ain't what this was.
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If i admit satan is real that means i must admit god is real. God isnt real so that answers the question
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Brother, I know schizophrenics, and that ain't what this was.



come on. this stuff is up there with Bigfoot, UFOs, and the Loch Ness monster.
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No, demonic possession is not real. Schizophrenia is real, demonic possession is not real.
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