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Old 03-14-2008, 04:37 PM   #61
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I think Jon Edwards and other mediums do communicate with disembodied spirits, but those spirits aren't necessarily the people they claim to be.

That's why mediums are only half accurate most times, maybe 65% at when they're at their very best.

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do any of you discount

John Edward of Crossing Over?






certainly you will believe your own eyes and ears?


plus the thousands of people that will
swear he put them in touch with a departed loved one
I once read an account of how the show worked from a production assistant. It was...interesting, to say the least.

And btw, I've also had a floating dream. I was floating in the hallway outside my bedroom door. If it were an OBE, I'd be sorely disappointed that it didn't take me someone more interesting than my own hallway.
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MY DEAR WORMWOOD,

I wonder you should ask me whether it is essential to keep the patient in ignorance of your own existence. That question, at least for the present phase of the struggle, has been answered for us by the High Command. Our policy, for the moment, is to conceal ourselves.
I do not think you will have much difficulty in keeping the patient in the dark. The fact that "devils" are predominantly comic figures in the modern imagination will help you. If any faint suspicion of your existence begins to arise in his mind, suggest to him a picture of something in red tights, and persuade him that since he cannot believe in that (it is an old textbook method of confusing them) he therefore cannot believe in you.

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wow, that's interesting.

wouldn't you be mad if someone discounted your experience?

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How could someone discount my experience?

If someone doesn't believe me that I've had those dreams, so be it...
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i'd point to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming

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In a study of 14 lucid dreamers performed in 1991, people who perform wake initiated lucid dreams (WILD) reported experiences consistent with aspects of out-of-body experiences such as floating above their beds and the feeling of leaving their bodies.[13] Due to the phenomenological overlap between lucid dreams, near death experiences, and out of body experiences researchers say they believe a protocol could be developed to induce a lucid dream similar to a near death experience in the laboratory. [14]

all these people that go to
HELL
are just lucid dreaming what their fucked-up belief systems have programed into their minds

that is why I never go to HELL

and why so many so-called religious people do.
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See everyone has "floating dreams' "Gliding dreams" or "flying dreams".


This isn't what happen to the realtor.

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how do you know?

maybe he charges for the cost of making the material and donates the proceeds to charity.

we really don't know.

and unless you're his accountant, we really will never know.

and it doesn't discredit his story.

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Yes, I'm sure he's only covering his costs, and doing it out of sheer altruism.
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if you can't see the difference there's really no purpose.

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I'm being honest. There was a "possession" that just happen within this decade that was later discovered by real doctors to autism.
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I could care less is anyone discounts or believes that I have lucid dreams about flying


I am not living my whole life and trying to pass laws based on my dreams.
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I'm being honest. There was a "possession" that just happen within this decade that was later discovered by real doctors to autism.
of course i agree with that too.

there have been misdiagnosises i'm sure.

but when someone levitates off the ground and starts speaking in languages unknown to them and items start flying around the room, well this isn't a bad case of autism.

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I have those, too.

One recurring one is where I can fly or glide, perhaps 6- 10 feet off the ground.

When I can, I take those along as far as I can until the conscious wins out over the subconscious

Me too. "Flying"(actually it's more like swimming through air), walking through walls, and sex are usually the activities that take place in my lucid dreams...
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Yes, I'm sure he's only covering his costs, and doing it out of sheer altruism.
well until you/we can prove otherwise..:shrugs:

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And btw, I've also had a floating dream. I was floating in the hallway outside my bedroom door. If it were an OBE, I'd be sorely disappointed that it didn't take me someone more interesting than my own hallway.
if you want to go to HELL
you have to program the concept into your mind


you are almost there

you went to HALL
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Me too. "Flying"(actually it's more like swimming through air), walking through walls, and sex are usually the activities that take place in my lucid dreams...
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sex are usually the activities that take place in my lucid dreams...
Okay, how can I sign up for this?





Actually, I think that's happened to me a few times too, but certainly not often enough...
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