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Old 09-30-2005, 10:26 AM   #46
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good one ms democrat
others may choose to live in their denial.

Pax is one of the only sober minded left leaners who have a sense of fair play.
others choose to froth at the mouth, like pavlov dogs not realizing their error.

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wow! sanctimonious, patronizing, and deluded -- and all in one post!

look, many of us despise DeLay for more than partisan reasons. me, i deplore his ruthless partisanship, his fusion of conservatism with corporate cronyism, his grotesque gerrymandering, his homophobia, his view of ethics as things to get around rather than enforce, and on and on.

no one, not even Mr. DeLay's strongest allies, think he's anything other than an ultra-partisan enforcer and is a main purveyor of nasty, personal politics that poisons both parties washignton. he's also given to gross hyperbole, and seems to think the federal government exists to function like superman to swoop into a personal family tragedy and prolong the "life" of an all-but-completely-dead woman in Flordia.

let's revisit those days:

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I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, one thing God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo to elevate the visibility of what's going on in America. . . .This is exactly the kind of issue that's going on in America, that attacks against the conservative moment, against me and against many others. The point is, the other side has figured out how to win and to defeat the conservative movement, and that is to go after people personally, charge them with frivolous charges, link up with all these do-gooder organizations funded by George Soros, and then get the national media on their side. That whole syndicate that they have going on right now is for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to destroy the conservative movement. It is to destroy conservative leaders, and not just in elected office, but leading. I mean, Ed Feulner, of the Heritage Foundation today was under attack in the National Journal. This is a huge nationwide concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in. And you need to look at this, and what's going on and participate in fighting back.
"weak" and "baseless," anyone?

i think NBC is right that this is a "conspiracy" charge, and if you read the WaPo editorial yesterday, it might be very difficult to find him guilty on a criminal charge.

however, there is clearly a MASSIVE corruption problem coming from the Republicans in Washington. this, combined with their pandering big-spending policies (exposing them as conservative frauds), and with each day finding another ethical problem with the GOP leadership, the Dems just might come-back in 2006.

yet, if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's all those democrats who's last names aren't "Clinton."
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:30 AM   #47
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Let's not give me too much credit here.

All I've said is that I always get nervous when I see people convicted in the court of public opinion and it's something I'm striving to avoid personally. I personally strongly dislike DeLay and am not surprised about the indictment, but I still think that any opinions about DeLay are at this point just that--opinions.
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Some new info.

Partisan Witchhunt? DeLay Grand Jury Foreman a Former Sherriff Who Praises DeLay
The central pillar of Tom DeLay’s defense is that Travis Country prosecutor Ronnie Earle is an “unabashed partisan,” and that he is being targeted because of his political success.

But Ronnie Earle didn’t issue the indictment against Tom DeLay. A grand jury did. And as it turns out, the jury foreman William Gibson is a former sheriff’s deputy who praises DeLay specifically for his “aggressiveness.” Via Billmon, we see that Gibson spoke out yesterday:

He did his duty and that bound him to look at Tom Delay as just another Texan accused of criminal conspiracy, [Gibson] said.

“I like his aggressiveness and everything, and I had nothing against the House majority man, but I felt that we had enough evidence, not only me, but the other grand jury members,” Gibson said.

The grand jury foreman also takes great exception to accusations that he and 11 other grand jury members followed the lead of Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle instead of following the evidence.

“It was not a rubber stamp deal. It was not an overnight deal. If we needed extra information, it was provided to us,” Gibson said. …

Gibson thinks there is enough evidence to convict Delay.

“We would not have handed down an indictment. We would have no-billed the man, if we didn’t feel there was sufficient evidence,” said Gibson.
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But Ronnie Earle didn’t issue the indictment against Tom DeLay. A grand jury did.
I love these simplistic statements that sound so true, yet are totally misleading. Grand Jurys respond to the information provided by prosecutors. To suggest that Ronnie Earle had nothing to do with the indictment is simply false.
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I love these simplistic statements that sound so true, yet are totally misleading. Grand Jurys respond to the information provided by prosecutors. To suggest that Ronnie Earle had nothing to do with the indictment is simply false.


but it also shoots in the head notions of a witch hunt, no?
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but it also shoots in the head notions of a witch hunt, no?
No, Earle is just after justice

Coming Soon: The Ronnie Earle Movie

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For the last two years, as he pursued the investigation that led to Wednesday's indictment of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, Travis County, Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle has given a film crew "extraordinary access" to make a motion picture about his work on the case.

The resulting film is called The Big Buy, made by Texas filmmakers Mark Birnbaum and Jim Schermbeck. "Raymond Chandler meets Willie Nelson on the corner of Wall Street and Pennsylvania Avenue in The Big Buy, a Texas noir political detective story that chronicles what some are calling a 'bloodless coup with corporate cash,'" reads a description of the picture on Birnbaum's website, markbirnbaum.com. The film, according to the description, "follows maverick Austin DA Ronnie Earle's investigation into what really happened when corporate money joined forces with relentless political ambitions to help swing the pivotal 2002 Texas elections, cementing Republican control from Austin to Washington DC."
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No, Earle is just after justice

Coming Soon: The Ronnie Earle Movie



yes, i saw that on Drudge too.

can't you just hear the wheels of the VRWC turning?

seriously -- these guys are *so* organized, it's almost admirable.

you don't think that a documentary about DeLay's brutal gerrymandering and redistricting in Texas in a naked attempt to make it more Republican (have you seen the maps these people drew? it's fun finding animal shapes in how they sliced and diced up liberal Austin) is entirely appropriate? knowing lots about the documentary world, i'm hardly surprised that little indie documentary makers saw a story and wanted to follow it. and i'm also not surprised that a Earle let them have access, though i'm rather certain we can debate what "extraordinary" access is -- and it sounds like a manufactured quote taken from out of context in order to create precisely this kind of Drudge-worthy headline that will then, if successful, be batted around the right wing blogosphere and talk shows, eventually picked up on by the MSM in their vain attempt to be hip and current, and then become somehow something for desperate DeLay defenders to point to as evidence that their man is part of a witch hunt sponsored by Hollywood liberals (believe me: Texas documentary filmmakers have nothing to do with Martin Sheen and Susan Sarandon). and then, incredulously, because of the media's desperation to be "fair and balanced" and to represent "all sides," they will give this equal weight and point to it as another viable option in terms of the reality of the situation.

it's garbage. sometimes, there aren't two equal sides to the story. there's the story, and then there's the spin. it's like calling ID an "alternative" to evolution. the two are not equal, but equating the two paints them as viable alaternatives in the minds of less discerning listeners, or those who want to be fooled.

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*hands Irvine a bottle of water*

After that speech, you deserve it.
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I wish we got a movie when the Dems gerrymanded California..

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I wish we got a movie when the Dems gerrymanded California..

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unless something happens, you'll probably only be able to see this movie at, say, South-by-Southwest or some other film festival that's only attended by Evian-drinking liberals. the filmmakers will probably lose money, too, since most independent films do.

it won't be at the multiplex in Akron, OH.

(nothing against Akron ...)
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I guess he's not worried I wonder if he even knows how to spell humility..

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OOPs look like some more trouble for the Hammer

Grand Jury Indicts DeLay on New Charge
Oct 3, 6:38 PM (ET)

By APRIL CASTRO

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on a new charge of money laundering Monday, less than a week after another grand jury leveled a conspiracy charge that forced DeLay to temporarily step down as House majority leader.

Both indictments accuse DeLay and two political associates of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through a political action committee to the Republican National Committee in Washington.

The RNC then sent back like amounts to distribute to Texas candidates in 2002, the indictment alleges.

The new indictment came hours after DeLay's attorneys filed a request to dismiss the case. That request argued that the conspiracy charge was based on a law that was not effective until 2003, the year after the alleged money transfers.

The judge who will preside in DeLay's case was out of the country on vacation and could not rule on the request. Other state district judges declined to rule on the request in his place, said Colleen Davis, a law clerk to Austin attorney Bill White, also represents DeLay.
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