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Old 04-02-2007, 10:10 AM   #1
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Debating Ron Jeremy

I don't know what to think about this, but I do know that based upon what I have seen of him on that Surreal Life show I have serious doubts about his ability to string a few coherent sentences together


Boston Herald
By Anita Davis
Monday, April 2, 2007

The decision to invite flesh king Ron Jeremy to Simmons College this week to debate pornography is a “dreadful mistake,” charged one feminist whose criticism is backed by angry students who say his industry glorifies sexism.
Some Simmons College students and professors are outraged that Jeremy, a porn star past his prime who has starred in more than 1,000 adult movies and reportedly bedded more than 4,000 women, will debate author and feminist Susan Cole about the place of pornography in society Tuesday.
“He is a person affiliated with an industry based on racism, classism and sexism,” said 21-year-old Simmons senior Dana Bialer. “He’s a white male who is very rich and has gotten very rich from pornography, and because of that he doesn’t have the ability to speak accurately on the topic.”
Bialer, who is pursuing a major in women’s studies , said the debate on whether pornography is a detrimental factor in society is an important discussion, but Jeremy’s celebrity appeal will detract from the seriousness of the issue.
Some of Jeremy’s credits include “Nasty Pants,” “Stripper Nurses” and “Dana Lynn’s Hot All Over.” His new book is titled, “Ron Jeremy: The Hardest (Working) Man in Showbiz.”
“We really need responsible speakers coming in on this issue,” Bialer said. “The gender issues are going to be lost because Ron Jeremy, through VH1’s Surreal Life and his book tour, is sensationalized, and it’s going to take away from the topic.”
Dr. Gail Dines, a Wheelock College professor who is one of the leading experts on pornography criticism, said Jeremy should not be included in the debate because he is not an academic on the issue but a paid industry participant.
“Under no circumstances would I debate him, no matter how much money they gave me,” she said. “It’s a dreadful mistake for any principled person to debate Ron Jeremy because he’s basically riding on their credentials. He comes only as a man with personal experience who has made a lot of money out of it. ”
Some students and administrators said they welcome the debate as a way to facilitate discussion, even if they disagree with Jeremy’s chosen occupation.
“I don’t think he’s going to catch so much personal animosity, but he’s going to get some very thoughtful questions from some very smart girls who will have done their homework,” said Gerry Koocher, dean of Simmon’s School of Health Sciences who will be moderating the debate.
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Re: Debating Ron Jeremy

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will debate author and feminist Susan Cole about the place of pornography in society Tuesday.
Is she any different?
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He is sooo disgusting.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:45 PM   #4
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Is she any different?
She's a journalist and writer, not an academic, if that's what you mean.
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From what I saw of him in the Surreal Life he seems like nice guy to hang out with, I didn't expect that from him.
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For some reason this topic is cracking me up.

But, yes, from the Surreal Life, he does seem quite affable.
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Who better to defend the industry - apart from the obvious issues of free speech mainstream porn is big business.
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She's a journalist and writer, not an academic, if that's what you mean.
Yes, the people there are complaining about his celebrity and that he is from the business.

She, on the other hand, is a feminist, and earns money through publishing texts and probably selling books.

Both are very biased I think, and both can need the publicity, and both have agendas.
Only that he is from the adult film business, and she is a journalist.
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One of the two pastors behind XXXChurch.com debates Jeremy frequently at colleges. The interesting thing is they've become pretty good friends and Jeremy even thinks what XXXChurch is doing is beneficial.
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^ Yeah, I think the Jeremy/Cole debate is part of a speaking tour too.
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Yes, the people there are complaining about his celebrity and that he is from the business.

She, on the other hand, is a feminist, and earns money through publishing texts and probably selling books.

Both are very biased I think, and both can need the publicity, and both have agendas.
Only that he is from the adult film business, and she is a journalist.
I think the objections raised in the article have more to do with him having bona fide star power to draw upon with college audiences, an advantage feminist journalists don't generally have. Other than that I agree with you.
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From what I saw of him in the Surreal Life he seems like nice guy to hang out with, I didn't expect that from him.
I agree with you, I'd rather hang out with him than that dipsh*t VanWinkle..
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“He’s a white male who is very rich" <---- Clearly then he is unable to say anything worth hearing due to his being The Man. Holding the debate down.
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Some say he's a master debater

I heard last night that they're paying him 6 grand for the debate, maybe that's how he makes a living now after Surreal Life. Does he still do pornos?
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Re: Debating Ron Jeremy

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“He’s a white male who is very rich and has gotten very rich from pornography, and because of that he doesn’t have the ability to speak accurately on the topic.”


What a stupid thing to say.
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Some say he's a master debater
Nicely done.

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I heard last night that they're paying him 6 grand for the debate, maybe that's how he makes a living now after Surreal Life. Does he still do pornos?

Would you pay to see him perform these days?
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