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Old 02-24-2005, 07:40 AM   #16
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Agreed NBC. I would posit that God is far beyond what we comprehend and that being in His presence is hardly like being in a church for a billion years. And from what I understand of the Bible, it appears that we are to be much more spirit-oriented in heaven that we are here. Just a few thoughts.
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:36 AM   #17
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Think of it as a scale. You'd rather be with friends instead of strangers. You'd rather be with loved ones instead of friends.

I would suggest that the joy of being in the Lord's presense would surpass any notion of missing those left behind.

I acknowledge that it is difficult to grasp while on earth (especially the "won't you get bored after a while" questions). But that is the glory of heaven - far beyond what we can comprehend here on earth.

fair enough.

this is where logic ends and faith begins.

and where are the 70 virgins?

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Old 02-24-2005, 08:56 AM   #18
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That is a tempting way to describe heaven: think of the best of our carnal delights and magnify it in the afterlife.

Generally, I am wary of specific descriptions of heaven since there are only a few descriptions found in Scripture.
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That is a tempting way to describe heaven: think of the best of our carnal delights and magnify it in the afterlife.

Generally, I am wary of specific descriptions of heaven since there are only a few descriptions found in Scripture.
so it's like an eternal orgasm?

no wonder christianity sells so well.

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Just a quick point, Irv - I don't think it "sells well."

If people were in it strictly to sell religion, don't you think it would be much more politically correct?
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are you kidding? what religion sells better than Christianity?

it offers a self-referential rule book, an all-knowing parent who will always love you, and life after death.

and for those who need people to hate in order to feel better about themselves and solidify their identity, some strands of the religion offer that as well.

what more could you ask for when selecting a religion?
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One that doesn't get you killed in many parts of the world perhaps?
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One that doesn't get you killed in many parts of the world perhaps?

Christianity? check.

doesn't get you killed in most parts of the world.
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so it's like an eternal orgasm?

no wonder christianity sells so well.

no that's heroin

it sells well, too.
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are you kidding? what religion sells better than Christianity?

it offers a self-referential rule book, an all-knowing parent who will always love you, and life after death.

and for those who need people to hate in order to feel better about themselves and solidify their identity, some strands of the religion offer that as well.

what more could you ask for when selecting a religion?
Seriously though, if the belief was for sale, I would think that we would try our hardest to reinvent it every week. If it was "for sale", it wouldn't really have much to do with a rule book. Seems like a Sony DVD player is the opposite, where you don't read the instructions, but if you tweak the cords long enough, they connect.

I guess if I really wanted to be ultra-greedy, here's what I would ask for in a religion: how can I have as many wives as I want, get a bunch of virgins in heaven, and get away with killing people? I guess radical Islam is the way to go.
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