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Old 07-24-2005, 08:05 PM   #46
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As usual, no one here can give me any legit reasons for helmet laws.
They lessen fatality or severe injury rates. If my memory serves me correctly, you once disagreed with this or something along the lines of, so this is just another FYM impasse. I hope I haven't remembered something else and misrepresented anything you said in a thread from moons ago, re: safety.
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Old 07-24-2005, 09:53 PM   #47
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Not according to embryologosts, who say that life begins at fertilization.

Other than that, you don't think the heart beating at day 22 is a sign of human life?
No not for human life, just the start of something breathing, no brian activety apearantly.
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No not for human life, just the start of something breathing, no brian activety apearantly.
Not even breathing.
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Old 07-25-2005, 01:53 AM   #49
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WTF?

A man should not even have a say in what is right and what isn't when it comes to issues of abortion.

When you can squeeze an eight pound baby out of you, then maybe you deserve to voice up.
But in here, you don't.

The women have the power here. And they should damn well keep the power.
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WTF?

A man should not even have a say in what is right and what isn't when it comes to issues of abortion.

When you can squeeze an eight pound baby out of you, then maybe you deserve to voice up.
But in here, you don't.

The women have the power here. And they should damn well keep the power.
Why the fuck shouldn't men have the right to discuss issues of human life and ethics of taking a potential life? The rights of the individual versus the rights or lack therof for a foetus.
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We'll anyway...

I'd be interested to know how many people voted for Bush, only on his stance with abortion. Larger than you think....

And I assume the Democrats realize this, finally.
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We'll anyway...

I'd be interested to know how many people voted for Bush, only on his stance with abortion. Larger than you think....

And I assume the Democrats realize this, finally.


this is absolutely true.

it amazes me that people vote against their own economic self-interests and further perpetuate an oligarcy that is predicated upon the creation of a permanent underclass (made up, largely, of them) solely because of the pro-life/anti-choice issue.

but people do a lot of amazing things.
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it amazes me that people vote against their own economic self-interests and further perpetuate an oligarcy that is predicated upon the creation of a permanent underclass (made up, largely, of them) solely because of the pro-life/anti-choice issue.
But I'd say it's time to understand why....
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this is absolutely true.

it amazes me that people vote against their own economic self-interests and further perpetuate an oligarcy that is predicated upon the creation of a permanent underclass (made up, largely, of them) solely because of the pro-life/anti-choice issue.

but people do a lot of amazing things.
I didn't vote against my own economic self-interest nor to further an oligarcy blah blah when I cast my vote for Bush, Irvine.
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But I'd say it's time to understand why....
If I had, maybe it would have been because human life is more important than economics.
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It's a wee bit self-righteous to claim that only a vote for an anti-abortion-rights candidate is a vote for "human life," particularly when that same anti-abortion-rights candidate is also pro-death penalty, anti-desperately-needed-environmental-regulations, anti-living-wage, pro-war...

There are other, equally important ways to vote for life concerns besides voting against abortion rights.

And I'm really quite insulted, frankly, at your implication that pro-abortion-rights voters are unconcerned with the preservation of the dignity of human life.
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It's a wee bit self-righteous to claim that only a vote for an anti-abortion-rights candidate is a vote for "human life,"
Where did I claim that?

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And I'm really quite insulted, frankly, at your implication that pro-abortion-rights voters are unconcerned with the preservation of the dignity of human life.
Where did I imply that?

Have you put on your glasses yet this morning?
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Nice, 80s. Way to get personal with me. I expected better from you.

I got that from your previous post saying that your vote for "human life" (or anyone's, I guess) is more important than a vote based on "economics," when votes for those so-called "economic interests" are often based in concern for quality and dignity of human life as well.
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Nice, 80s. Way to get personal with me. I expected better from you.

I got that from your previous post saying that your vote for "human life" (or anyone's, I guess) is more important than a vote based on "economics," when votes for those so-called "economic interests" are often based in concern for quality and dignity of human life as well.
I didn't get personal with you. It was a joke, but it wasn't an insult. I was curious how you could see things that just weren't there. If anything, I should be insulted. You did, after all, call me "self-righteous" and attributed things to me that I didn't say.
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this is absolutely true.

it amazes me that people vote against their own economic self-interests and further perpetuate an oligarcy that is predicated upon the creation of a permanent underclass (made up, largely, of them) solely because of the pro-life/anti-choice issue.

but people do a lot of amazing things.

Ohio anyone?
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