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Old 03-15-2007, 09:44 PM   #1
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dead conservativism

so i'm watching Romney on Larry King. he hasn't talked about any issues, or at least any issues that can be discussed outside the framework of values.

want to go to war? well, you'll go to war for the right reasons if you are a person of character.

stem cells? people of character always support the side of life.

strength. values. character.

totally, 100% intellecually bankrupt. totally, 100% romanticism.

if you believe you're right, then you'll be right.
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:55 PM   #2
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'Conservatism' as represented by the likes of Romney is dead, that is why a redefined conservatism is needed.

It is important to repudiate the far right and neo-con ideologues that have debauched the name of a political philosophy that was once great and true.

I intend writing an essay about the crisis in conservatism, once I get my thoughts together.
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Re: dead conservativism

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so i'm watching Romney on Larry King. he hasn't talked about any issues, or at least any issues that can be discussed outside the framework of values.

want to go to war? well, you'll go to war for the right reasons if you are a person of character.

stem cells? people of character always support the side of life.

strength. values. character.

totally, 100% intellecually bankrupt. totally, 100% romanticism.

if you believe you're right, then you'll be right.
Sounds like a Mormon politician to me.
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Old 03-16-2007, 08:31 AM   #4
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Sounds like a Mormon politician to me.
Actually, it sounds just like the Religious Right. How is any of this different than, say, what Bush has said over the last seven years?

I think they're all too cuckoo for their Cocoa Puffs.
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Well that's Romney in a nutshell. Did he insult MA and the evil liberals who live there? That's all you need to complete the picture. What he is saying now has nothing to do with his Mormon beliefs, unless he recently converted and we all know he didn't.
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Ugh. Not my brand of politics.
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it just boggles my mind, the belief that if you get people of "values" and "character," then they'll make the right decisions.

intentions are more important than results, evidently.

do we now live in an area of feel-good conservativism?
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What I find interesting is true conservatisim is dead, and has been for awhile and it's the "conservatives" who don't notice it.

They're still using terms like "less government", do they not pay attention?
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[q]Fewer pledge allegiance to the GOP

By Janet Hook, Times Staff Writer
March 23, 2007

WASHINGTON — Public allegiance to the Republican Party has plunged during George W. Bush's presidency, as attitudes have edged away from some of the conservative values that fueled GOP political victories, a major survey has found.

The survey, by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, found a "dramatic shift" in political party identification since 2002, when Republicans and Democrats were at rough parity. Now, 50% of those surveyed identified with or leaned toward Democrats, whereas 35% aligned with Republicans.

What's more, the survey found, public attitudes are drifting toward Democrats' values: Support for government aid to the disadvantaged has grown since the mid-1990s, skepticism about the use of military force has increased and support for traditional family values has decreased.

The findings suggest that the challenges for the GOP reach beyond the unpopularity of the war in Iraq and Bush.

"Iraq has played a large part; the pushback on the Republican Party has to do with Bush, but there are other things going on here that Republicans will have to contend with," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Center. "There is a difference in the landscape."

A key question is whether the trends signal a broad and lasting change in the balance of power between the national parties or a mood swing that will pass or moderate. It remains to be seen whether Democrats can capitalize on Republican weaknesses and achieve durable political dominance.

"This is the beginning of a Democratic opportunity," said Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. "The question is whether we blow it or not."

Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said he believed the Pew poll exaggerated his party's problems and that the situation would improve as attention shifted to choosing the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee.

At that point, "we will have a far more level playing field than we have today," Ayres said.

But other Republicans fear the poll signals a clear end to an era of GOP successes that began with President Reagan's election in 1980, saw the party take control of Capitol Hill in 1994 and helped elect Bush twice.

"There are cycles in history where one party or one movement ascends for a while and then it sows the seeds of its own self-destruction," said Bruce Bartlett, a conservative analyst and author of the 2006 book "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy."

Bartlett added, "It's clear we have come to an end of a Republican conservative era."

The Pew poll measured the views of 2,007 adults from Dec. 12 through Jan. 9. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

The current gap between Republican and Democratic identification — which Pew measured by counting people who said they leaned toward a party as well as those with firm allegiances — is the widest since the group began collecting data on party allegiance in 1990.

As recently as 2002, the two parties were tied, with each drawing support from 43% of those surveyed. But Democrats have gained an advantage over Republicans almost every year since.

Kohut said the spread between the parties mostly reflected the defection of independents from the GOP more than a more favorable assessment of the Democrats.

The survey found that the proportion of those expressing a positive view of Democrats has declined since January 2001 — when Bush took office — by 6 percentage points, to 54%. But the public's regard for Republicans has cratered during the Bush years, with the proportion holding a favorable view of the GOP dropping 15 points, to 41%.

Although Republicans rode to political power calling for smaller government, support for government action to help the disadvantaged has risen since the GOP took control of Congress in 1994. At that point, a Pew survey found that 57% said the government had a responsibility to take care of people who could not take care of themselves; now, 69% said they believed that.

On the other hand, support for Bush's signature issue — a strong, proactive military posture — has waned since 2002, when 62% said that the best way to ensure peace was through military strength. In the recent poll, 49% said they believed that.

On social issues, the survey found that support for some key conservative positions was on the decline. For instance, those who said they supported "old fashioned values about family and marriage" dipped from 84% in 1994 to 76% in the recent survey. Support for allowing school boards to have the right to fire homosexual teachers has dropped from 39% in 1994 to 28%.

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