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Old 04-14-2003, 12:59 PM   #46
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ok i read it.
bush =hitler and blah blah.
no sale.

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You call THIS an eloquent response??

First of all, the article is not saying that Bush is a carbon copy of Hitler. It's about way more than that....but whatever....
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Old 04-14-2003, 02:37 PM   #47
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I've become far less liberal since I've lived in Massachusetts. I think the sight of slothy union workers and radical neo-hippie Cambridge people has kind of turned me off...

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Ehmmmm, i am a Union member and i want to know what slothy is.


Btw, Unions where forbidden in Nazi Germany.
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most of you might know that the Austrian people voted before they were annexed to Germany. I just wanted to show you the ballot paper I think it says a lot...

early version of the Florida butterfly ballot
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Would you believe that when I ask the professor, in front of over 70 other students, if she believed the theory that Hitler used the U.S. genocide of the Native Americans as a blueprint for his much more publicized extermination of the Jews, she literally laughed at me and quickly moved on to other matters?
Hitler also took the 1915 (forgotten) genocide of 1 million Armenians by the Turks - when they thought Armenia was going to side with Russia, one of the Allies in WWI - as an example to justify his own holocaust: "Who now remembers the extermination of the Armenians...?" Turkey still denies the Armenian genocide, and that's one of the reasons why its entry into the EU has been postponed indefinitely.

Great article, Mrs Edge. That thing about German celebs being denounced because of their anti-Hitler stance is sadly very recognizable. Reminds me of another "incident" last week, when an event to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the baseball film Bull Durham was cancelled because of Tim Robbin's anti-war stance. Further explanation: (quote) "As an institution, we stand behind our President and our troops in this conflict. We believe your very public criticism of President Bush at this important -- and sensitive -- time in our nation's history helps undermine the U.S. position, which ultimately could put our troops in more danger" (end quote) But I got to say, the organizer of the event was a former aide to Ronald Reagan. 'Nuff said.
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Secondly, I'm happy to see this topic is being discussed outside of liberal university history classes. I say "liberal", because when I took a course in 20th Century European History at my local university last summer our professor refused to draw any comparisons between Hitler's Germany and the current state of the U.S.A.
Being an honors student at MSU meant I was able to skip past all the P.C. liberal hippie classes. Best thing I ever did.

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Thanks for posting that article, Mrs. Edge! I'm definitely going to pass it on to others. It was extremely thought provoking and almost scary. I know a lot of people who complain about having to learn history, but it's in situations like these that I think it's very important.
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he doesnt look like a monster to me..
73% approval rating..
61% among Democrats, are the Democrats being fooled here?

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diamond, please stop it. That 61% of Democrats refers to war support. When it comes to economy support, it jumps down substantially, and, when polled as to whether these Democrats would vote for Bush in 2004, it also drops substantially.

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diamond, please stop it. That 61% of Democrats refers to war support. When it comes to economy support, it jumps down substantially, and, when polled as to whether these Democrats would vote for Bush in 2004, it also drops substantially.

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No Mr Ormus, you are mistaken.
80% approve of the Liberation of Iraq.

73%= Job Approval rating as President all Americans
61%= Job approval rating among Democrats

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Interactive Feature: New York Times/CBS News Poll

Americans See Clear Victory in Iraq, Poll Finds
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JANET ELDER


Americans overwhelmingly consider the war in Iraq a success, and a majority say the victory will stand even if Saddam Hussein remains at large or if the United States fails to unearth chemical or nuclear weapons, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

But a majority remains opposed to a policy of pre-emptive attack like the one President Bush invoked in invading Iraq, and see the White House, emboldened by its success, as now likely to turn the nation's military might on North Korea, Syria or Iran.

At home, the fall of Baghdad has fortified President Bush's political standing. The poll found that 73 percent of Americans approve of his job performance up from 59 percent the week before the war and that his approval rating among Democrats was 61 percent. .

The poll, taken over the weekend, found that for the first time since 2001, a majority of Americans, 62 percent, believe that the nation is winning the war on terrorism. And there has been a sharp drop in the number of people who fear terrorist reprisal attacks in the United States because of the invasion in Iraq. The poll found that 79 percent of respondents approve of Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq, the most support Mr. Bush has received on his Iraq policy.

From a political perspective, the Times/CBS News poll pointed to a number of signs, on both the domestic and foreign policy front, of the difficulties the Democratic Party faces as it tries to win the White House and Congress next year.

The nation has rallied around its president and is confident about the state of the country, a not-uncommon occurrence at a time of war. But beyond Mr. Bush's approval rating, a figure that typically gyrates with changing times, the number of Americans who believe the country is heading in the right direction has jumped nearly 20 percentage points since February, to 56 percent. That measure is closely watched by pollsters as a reliable indicator of the re-election prospects of an incumbent.

The Times/CBS News poll found evidence that the Democrats are not in as strong a position as they presumably would like on the issue that they believe could return them to power the economy. Americans are exactly divided, 42 percent to 42 percent, on which party would do a better job in managing the economy.

And there has been a jump of 7 percentage points since January, to 54 percent, in the number of Americans who said they had confidence in Mr. Bush's ability to make the right decisions about the economy. That sentiment was voiced even as respondents expressed concern about the decline of the economy under Mr. Bush, and even though just 46 percent said they approved of his handling of the economy.

The improving view of Mr. Bush on the economy appears to be a dividend of the overall jump in Americans' perception of Mr. Bush during the war. Mr. Bush's political advisers have argued that any voter concerns about the economy would ultimately be outweighed by a perception that Mr. Bush is a strong and grounded president, created by his handling of the war in Iraq.

Mr. Bush's father, at a similar point after the previous war in Iraq, also enjoyed relatively favorable marks for his management of the economy. That perception, along with his own approval rating which was even higher than the figure enjoyed today by his son swiftly deteriorated as images of the war were supplanted by concerns about a troubled economy.

The Times/CBS News telephone poll was conducted Friday through Sunday, and involved 898 adults. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Several Democrats have suggested that Mr. Bush's standing would begin to erode if American troops were stranded in Iraq, or if the United States failed to find or kill Mr. Hussein, or find the weapons of mass destruction that Mr. Bush said was the rationale for his invasion.


thank you

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let me reiterate--

At home, the fall of Baghdad has fortified President Bush's political standing. The poll found that 73 percent of Americans approve of his job performance up from 59 percent the week before the war and that his approval rating among Democrats was 61 percent. .
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and that his approval rating among Democrats was 61 percent. The finding is reminiscent of the spike in popularity Mr. Bush's father enjoyed for the first few months after the Persian Gulf war of 1991.
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I dont see GW making the same mistake as his Pappy
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but this thread is NOT about GW's approval ratings and the war!

The war is only a tiny aspect of this topic.

I'm glad that some of you thought it was interesting and thought provoking.
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At home, the fall of Baghdad has fortified President Bush's political standing. The poll found that 73 percent of Americans approve of his job performance up from 59 percent the week before the war and that his approval rating among Democrats was 61 percent. .
First of all polls don't mean shit to me. Polls can be created to say whatever you want them to say. Second, we live in a society of immediate gratification, and we just saw the regime removed. Of course the majority of the people are in approval. Seeing the collapse of the regime is a great thing, this is no brainer, this is something both sides of the issue can agree on. The economy makes a little spike when news like this hits, it's a good thing for a lot of people.

But the question is how is it going to affect the future? Things look somewhat rosy right now. But where will our personal rights be in 5 years? Who will we attack next? How many relationships with foreign countries have we severed and how will our relationship to foreign countries be in the next decade? There are so many questions. Bush has fooled a lot of people to give him powers and make moves that he shouldn't have any right to do. This is where the parallels get scary. And I can guarantee you that when disscusions came up like this back then the ones that didn't really look at the situation with an unbiased and sightful way, called it "poppycock" as well.
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Back to the original Subject:

I guess History is dammed to repeat itself as long as we are not willing to learn from previous mistakes.

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