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Old 07-21-2006, 03:05 PM   #31
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I'd be interested to hear from someone with some extensive experience in the film industry comment on how traumatizing this experience might have been to Dakota Fanning. I've directed scenes on my own (currently shelved) television drama, but the "difficult" scenes were no where this intense so I don't think I'm really qualified to say.

I'd agree that editing can create a different feeling then what was there originally, and it's been often said that sex scenes, for example, are singularly "unsexy" when they're being filmed.

My concerns have to do with two things:

Number one, the "nude but for the underpants." I just have a problem with showing underage girls nude. If it wasn't for the dressing of art, we'd call it pornography. I agree with the all the comments about "telling the story" and it's merit in that regard, but there will surely be viewers with far more prurient interests, and I just don't think a young kid should be exposed to that.

Number two, while editing will make the scene look "worse", the fact is that for Dakota to be convicingly real, she's going to have to go some really dark places as an actor to bring an authentic performance. And I'm just wondering if it's really good to be asking that much of such a young girl. I've worked with young actors for the past seven years, both on stage and in television and from my experience, just the mental and emotional cost of giving a convincing performance might be quite high.

I don't oppose the depiction of sexuality or violence in film, per se (which I don't think contradicts my Christian values, since there's a lot in the Bible that I don't think is "appropriate for kids" yet still has value) but I think there are some legitmate concerns.

And then again, the scenes are already shot, so I'm not sure what good our hand-wringng would do at this point.
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Regardless of the reason, I really don't know about this one.
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[B]Number one, the "nude but for the underpants." I just have a problem with showing underage girls nude. If it wasn't for the dressing of art, we'd call it pornography. I agree with the all the comments about "telling the story" and it's merit in that regard, but there will surely be viewers with far more prurient interests, and I just don't think a young kid should be exposed to that.

she will not be nude. actresses must be 18 or older to do any sort of nude scenes.


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Number two, while editing will make the scene look "worse", the fact is that for Dakota to be convicingly real, she's going to have to go some really dark places as an actor to bring an authentic performance.

my honest guess is that the rape will be visually implied and it won't be anywhere near a graphic rape scene like in, say, "the accused" or "boys don't cry."

however, if she is going to show the emotional aftermath, then she will have to go to a dark place, but i think she's a very credible actress for her age.
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What a horrible thing.

I certainly won't be watching it.
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she will not be nude. actresses must be 18 or older to do any sort of nude scenes.
So this, from the original article posted by Mrs. S was a misquote?

"calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments."



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my honest guess is that the rape will be visually implied and it won't be anywhere near a graphic rape scene like in, say, "the accused" or "boys don't cry."

however, if she is going to show the emotional aftermath, then she will have to go to a dark place, but i think she's a very credible actress for her age.
I agree, she should be able to handle the aftermath just fine. As to what will be contained in the actual scene. . . . we don't know since none of us has seen it. Right now all we can go on is what we each read into the word "explicit"
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So this, from the original article posted by Mrs. S was a misquote?

"calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments."
I think under 18 frontal nudity isn't allowed
which isn't the same as appearing naked

seems a bit like nitpicking but it does make quite a difference
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So this, from the original article posted by Mrs. S was a misquote?

"calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments."
We don't know how that'll be illustrated onscreen. Could be that a body-double is used to show some nude part of "Fanning's character."
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^ Which raises the question of whether the whole thing is being sensationalized, if "naked" means all we see is her back, and "explicit" means some scary unclear movements, quick cuts, and emotional intensity.

The point is, it would appear, we may not really know anything about what's in this movie.

Re: the body double. That would take some doing. . .to find an 18 year old to pass as a 12 year old? Not impossible, I guess. But difficult.
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it is Hollywood
which should answer your question whether it's sensationalized


but it could still be a great movie
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Miss Fanning appears to be a very ambitious young lady. I think she must have wanted this role badly, and been willing to undergo whatever it entailed for the challenge of it. She'll go far.
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ok,

but like yourself

i have changed my 100% opinions
after I have experienced or received new information

(that was unbeknownst to me at the time I was saying )

this is my 100% opinion
Are you a parent?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deep
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ok,

but like yourself

i have changed my 100% opinions
after I have experienced or received new information

Are you a parent?

Scratch this double post...sorry
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Are you a parent?
no,

I am not a parent

looking at your profile,
I am 11 years older than you,
and I am guessing you are a parent

I am the oldest of five siblings
our mother died when I was ten

I have 15 nieces and nephews
I am currently dating someone with a ten year old child

I have a lot of concern
as to what children are exposed to these days in popular culture

if you want to tell me
that you would not want your 12 year old to act in a film like this, I understand

I would not want any of my nieces to do it or even watch it for that matter

I would strongly recommend mature people watch the Malone movie I mentioned

as for Dakota Fanning and what she does with her mother's approval and within the laws that are applied to film making
that is their business
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no,

I am not a parent

looking at your profile,
I am 11 years older than you,
and I am guessing you are a parent

I am the oldest of five siblings
our mother died when I was ten

I have 15 nieces and nephews
I am currently dating someone with a ten year old child

I have a lot of concern
as to what children are exposed to these days in popular culture

if you want to tell me
that you would not want your 12 year old to act in a film like this, I understand

I would not want any of my nieces to do it or even watch it for that matter

I would strongly recommend mature people watch the Malone movie I mentioned

as for Dakota Fanning and what she does with her mother's approval and within the laws that are applied to film making
that is their business
Well I all I can tell you is that my son who was in second grade had an incident with an older student in the boys bathroom. This led to the other student leaving the school because of. MY son was horrified. So having an incident happen to my son which was quite shocking, I can not even begin to imagine putting your child in this situation.

I have totally lost all respect for her parents.Even if DF says she can do and wanted to do the scene, a 12 year old child has no idea how she will feel when the scene is over with, how many times it will be done over and what it will look like on screen. I truly think its terrible and everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject.
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I have to say I'm quite perplexed with this scenario...

I agree that a lot has to do with editing and that acting the scene probably won't be any problem, viewing it will probably be a lot harder for her. I'm sure they will do everything to protect her.

But here's where I have issue. We let kids pertend to play guns(and I know now it's much less PC, but it still occurs), play violent video games(and I'm not even talking about the graphic ones), all these things that should never be taken lightly and in real life are very traumatizing... But someone who's acting in a very controlled environment, who's a very established and proffesional actor, whose already played some very "traumatizing" roles, and we get all bent out of shape?

This child has dealt with a multiple personality murderous father, war with other planets, been kidnapped, and had to work with crazy Tom Cruise!!! I think she knows how to seperate reality from acting...
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