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Old 07-21-2006, 12:00 PM   #16
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The depiction also says something about the skill of a director. Consider the shower scene from the original Psycho and just about any other horror scene from the last 10 years. A skilled director can convey a powerful message without explicit depictions.
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Not to mention that there are many people who have had these kinds of experiences in life who have never really dealt with the pain of it and could be helped.
I think this is a great point. Many people who've been traumatized in that way spend years trying to come to any conclusion other than "I was raped. I was violated. It's not my fault." I'm not suggesting the film is therapy, but some people just need to know that their experience was real, it DID happen, they WERE violated, and it was NOT their fault, and they are NOT alone in this experience.
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but that thinking is in the minds of agents and, sadly, parents, and the film and the filmmakers hold no responsibility for such an attitude.
But all of the articles I have read claim that her mother has the same attitude. I'm sure her Mom must be very responsible and protective of Dakota- she seems to have raised a mature, well-adjusted daughter. Maybe it's just the agent claiming the mother thinks that way, I don't know.

Hopefully it will be done only with Dakota's best interests in mind-as mature as she is and as careful as the filmmakers are, she is still a child above all other things.

I don't discount the possibility at all that they could do this movie responsibly and that it could even be helpful in the whole issue of child rape. But a child subjected to that on film still makes me so uncomfortable and the nudity does too. I hope that will be done tastefully and with caution.
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I find it interesting that some can judge something like this, that they haven't seen, yet ignore something that is right before their eyes in photograph.
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The depiction also says something about the skill of a director. Consider the shower scene from the original Psycho and just about any other horror scene from the last 10 years. A skilled director can convey a powerful message without explicit depictions.


very true.

the best gift ever given to Spielberg was a shark that didn't work, since "Jaws" is at its scariest when you can't see the shark. originally, the film was supposed to show off a gigantic mechanical shark that ate people. because the shark itself was a bust, they had to improvise and the result is a much more creative, much scarier film.
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Even if it is legally acceptable, it still isn't appropriate. As a mom this is such a big no, no. How could her mother even watch a simulated rape scene with her 12 year daughter in it. To me that is every mothers nightmare for their daughter and even son for that matter.
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Even if it is legally acceptable, it still isn't appropriate. As a mom this is such a big no, no. How could her mother even watch a simulated rape scene with her 12 year daughter in it. To me that is every mothers nightmare for their daughter and even son for that matter.
I agree with you 100%.
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Jena Malone (Donnie Darko) did a film when she was 12 (1996)
the chacacter was abused and raped by her step-father

it is disturbing

and also an important and brilliant film


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I agree with you 100%.
perhaps if you watch

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your opinion will change

like your opinion about "hate crimes"?
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perhaps if you watch

Bastard Out of Carolina

your opinion will change

like your opinion about "hate crimes"?
No, it won't change, no matter if I see the film, so it would be a waste of time, This is a movie, that while being based on truth, is not truth, and I can see no reason to have a graphic scene depicting the rape, nor do I see a reason to show any type of nudity of a 12 year old girl.

The change in my views of hate crimes doesn't really have anything to do with this,
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The change in my views of hate crimes doesn't really have anything to do with this,
ok,

but like yourself

i have changed my 100% opinions
after I have experienced or received new information

(that was unbeknownst to me at the time I was saying )

this is my 100% opinion
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perhaps if you watch

Bastard Out of Carolina

your opinion will change

like your opinion about "hate crimes"?
I've seen it. There are several highly disturbing scenes, but it's a brilliant movie. Jena Malone's portrayal was heartbreaking.
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Even if it is legally acceptable, it still isn't appropriate. As a mom this is such a big no, no. How could her mother even watch a simulated rape scene with her 12 year daughter in it. To me that is every mothers nightmare for their daughter and even son for that matter.


why do you assume your judgement is better than Dakota Fanning's mother's judgement?

it seems to me that she is in the situatino, and you aren't, so how are you in a position to judge?

and as has been said, there's no "simulated rape scene." scenes in film are created in the editing room, in all likelihood, it was filmed without putting Ms. Fanning in any sort of position to be traumatized by the scenario.
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I am not familiar with the new fanning film

there are lots of films I would not want my young nieces and nephews to see, especially the violent ones

if fanning's character was kidnapped and dismembered
would there even be an article or this thread?

the Malone film has a lot of value
unfortunately there is a lot of step-father abuse

the film has no doubt helped may victims speak up and get help


there are many that just want to cover these things up and pretend like they do not happen




the “Petty Baby” film with a young Brook Shield’s virginity being auctioned off
is less defensible and had a prurient feel to it.
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