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Old 02-01-2004, 12:31 PM   #16
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is against a constitutional amendment saying marriage is between a man and a woman, etc. etc.
But, if I remember correctly, he's still against gay marriage or civil unions.

Correct me if I'm wrong?

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But, if I remember correctly, he's still against gay marriage or civil unions.
Yes. He's said he's against them.
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Yes. He's said he's against them.
Then Mr. Cute will not be getting my vote.

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I'm just amused to see a politician nicknamed "Mr. Cute."
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I would not vote for any politician who does not believe in equal rights for all his/her citizens. Based on his views re: gay marriage, he's out.

Now, I'm Canadian, so it's a lot easier for me. We've got more choice here when it comes to the matter.
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Then Mr. Cute will not be getting my vote.

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didn't know this.

Mine either then.
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I'll probably vote for Kerry, but I will vote for the Democratic nominee, and then as always protest against stuff I don't like.
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see the thing with edwards and gay marriage is that he believes each state should get to choose whether or not it would allow gay marriage. this may come as a shock but howard dean is also against gay marriage but believes each state has a right to choose that it wants to do with that issue. taht's how virtually all the democratic candidates stand.
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see the thing with edwards and gay marriage is that he believes each state should get to choose whether or not it would allow gay marriage. this may come as a shock but howard dean is also against gay marriage but believes each state has a right to choose that it wants to do with that issue. taht's how virtually all the democratic candidates stand.
It's a cowardly stance that I have a right to call him on. I'd love for people like him to try and evoke "states rights" on slavery or segregation. Sometimes you have to have the courage to stand up to the oppressive majority.

Howard Dean and most of the other candidates are for civil unions, a difference that pisses me off, but one that is better than Edwards' stance.

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see the thing with edwards and gay marriage is that he believes each state should get to choose whether or not it would allow gay marriage.
So what is his opinion on gay marriage? Does he oppose it? Or does he support it but not have the courage to openly support it?
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In all fairness to Edwards on the Gay Marriage issue. He never really said he directly opposed it, he just said that the country isn't quite ready to deal with it yet. Which judging by all the damned homophobes in the United States, I would tend to agree.
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And in the 1960s the South wasn't ready to deal with the civil rights movement. Does that mean that people should have backed off and waited until there were a few less racists before they demanded equal rights for Black people?
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'Senator John Edwards of North Carolina said he opposed gay marriage'
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in583048.shtml

'Indeed, of the nine candidates running for the Democratic nomination, six say they do not support gay marriage -- Lieberman, Kerry, Gephardt, retired Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and the front-runner, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont.
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But five of the six candidates who say they are opposed to gay marriage told the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, that they would support civil unions -- which allow same-sex couples to obtain many of the rights and benefits of marriage without actually using the "m" word.

"As president, I would support giving gays and lesbians the legal rights that married couples get," Clark said in his reaction to Tuesday's ruling.

"One way or another, the state should afford same-sex couples equal treatment under law in areas such as health insurance, hospital visitation and inheritance rights," Dean said in his response.

Dean signed the nation's only civil unions law when he was Vermont's governor.

Edwards, whose views on civil unions weren't included in the HRC's candidate survey, also did not directly address the issue in his comments on the Tuesday ruling. However, he said he believes "gay and lesbian Americans are entitled to equal respect and dignity under our laws."'
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/....gay.marriage/

'"During his 1998 Senate race, Edwards said he was opposed to gay marriage. Although he does not object to states' recognizing civil unions, he continues to have reservations about both gay marriage and civil unions, Edwards' campaign spokeswoman, Jennifer Palmieri, said Sunday. "

"'It's an issue he thinks the country and North Carolina is not ready for,' Palmieri said.'
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/p...ote_May12.html
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You know, it's kind of strange when Al Sharpton is the one in the crowd making the most sense on an issue...

Although, Kucinich has been very good on this too.
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You know, it's kind of strange when Al Sharpton is the one in the crowd making the most sense on an issue...

Although, Kucinich has been very good on this too.
They are the only two Democrats who are completely pro-gay union, if I'm not mistaken. Politics strikes again.
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