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Old 06-08-2007, 01:50 PM   #136
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Call religion "shit" doesn't exactly yell out that you're on the fence about the whole thing. You'll have to pardon the interpretation. Curiously I believe the Name calling started with "shit" beliefs if you care to scroll up. So, ah, lets not nail ourselves up on the cross now, huh?


go back and read. i've already explained this.

i called Creationism, in the context of a science class, "shit."

and it is.

but you needed a reason to get angry, so you invented one.
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So teach it in a bloody religious studies class! Along with all the other theories of creation.

It has no basis in scientific fact and therefore no place in a biology class.

And I guess nobody is going to tell me whether all the disabled children out there are disabled due to their parents sinning.
That is an option. Or a better option would probably be a separate evolution course.

I have no idea what you are talking about though with the disabled children's parents sinning though. If you have a lack of beliefs and it's based on someone saying that to you; well; that's just sad.
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This sums up the general theistic position quite well in my view, especially that hald by individuals who take the Bible to be a literal account of events. "Too awesome to not want to believe" seems to provide the primary reason for many theists holding their beliefs but this has no logical connection the existential status of a divine being or any of the purported events mentioned in the Bible. I'd love to think that U2 are about to do a concert in my house but wanting to believe that this is the case has no bearing on the truth of the matter.

I've been interested to read through this discussion. It always baffles me how the US, a country that claims to be so advanced can remain such a stronghold for creationism.
Excellent post.
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Is no one going to defend Western Europe with it's secular society and values as a better place to live than America and it's antiquated Judeo-Christian moral values. That Europe has a stronger identity, a more robust economy and most of all a brighter future.

Because that's the theory I'm hearing espoused.
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go back and read. i've already explained this.

i called Creationism, in the context of a science class, "shit."

and it is.

but you needed a reason to get angry, so you invented one.
Nope, still not angry. But if someone calls my beliefs "shit" then I'll respond in kind.
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Nope, still not angry. But if someone calls my beliefs "shit" then I'll respond in kind.


Creationism, as science, is shit.
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And I guess nobody is going to tell me whether all the disabled children out there are disabled due to their parents sinning.
Of course they are. I think that's also why a lot of single Mom's are poor...it's not because men aren't stepping up and taking care of the kids, it's because they SINNED.

BTW agree 100% with Irvine on this one...except I do wish we knew exactly when "Creation Week" happened, I'd love a few more paid holidays.

Teach all the religious theories of creation in a religion/philosophy class, hell do it in social studies if you want...leave the hocus pocus out of science class, thanks.
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Is no one going to defend Western Europe with it's secular society and values as a better place to live than America and it's antiquated Judeo-Christian moral values. That Europe has a stronger identity, a more robust economy and most of all a brighter future.

Because that's the theory I'm hearing espoused.


Europeans are arguably free-er than Americans are.

Europe is a wonderful place to live.

i woudl argue that what holds Europeans back is not religion, or lack of religion, but on sclerotic cultural notions of what it means to be French, or German, or Italian. blood-and-soil understandings of nationality are increasingly irrelevant in the 21st century. this is where America has always done well -- we have no myth of origin. we are not from the soil of our nation. we are all immigrants, to an extent.
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I have no idea what you are talking about though with the disabled children's parents sinning though. If you have a lack of beliefs and it's based on someone saying that to you; well; that's just sad.
Then you haven't read the whole thread - I posted about this on p. 4.

And I have no lack of beliefs, thanks.
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I provided you a link. It's stated in the creation museum in Kentucky that congenital defects are a result of sin, not recessive genes. That is why the children of Adam and Eve could marry and not produce inbred, genetically inferior progeny.

I certainly didn't make this up - believe me I'm not that creative.
They can only be referring to Original sin. From whence all human suffering can be traced.
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Europeans are arguably free-er than Americans are.

Europe is a wonderful place to live.

i woudl argue that what holds Europeans back is not religion, or lack of religion, but on sclerotic cultural notions of what it means to be French, or German, or Italian. blood-and-soil understandings of nationality are increasingly irrelevant in the 21st century. this is where America has always done well -- we have no myth of origin. we are not from the soil of our nation. we are all immigrants, to an extent.
Yep, nationalism kinda sucks. But that's a whole other topic.
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Excellent post.
Except that it doesn't sum up the theistic position very well at all. Personally, I believe in God, and Jesus and all that stuff, but I'm not sure how much of the Bible is true. I view the Garden Of Eden as a parable as do I much of especially the Old Testament stuff. You're painting a huge group of people with a very broad brush if you are saying we all believe that God appeared in the burning bush.
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Ladies and Gentlemen of Interference:

I addressed this whole topic years ago in a thread.
You will find all of the answers of how God created our earth and other planets and why there are dinosaur bones in our planet, pre Adamite bones, cavemen bones etc etc.

And no, dinosaurs were not on the Ark with Noah.

http://forum.interference.com/showth...Reconcile+Adam

Enjoy.

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Then you haven't read the whole thread - I posted about this on p. 4.

And I have no lack of beliefs, thanks.
So the page number matters? Or the fact that you look down on believers because some whack job said that birth defects come from sin matters?
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