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Old 03-04-2002, 01:08 AM   #31
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Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah
I don't remember the Pope doing that.

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Old 03-04-2002, 10:13 AM   #32
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Thanks, Melon for identifying where the information comes from that I published. It just goes to show Jehovah's Witnesses are known for their study of the Holy Scriptures.
It seems to me that you've managed to lead the conversation into an entirely NEW thread AGAIN.
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I think Melon was simply pointing out that major differences do exist between Jehovah's Witnesses and traditional Christianity. I think that's an important thing to know when considering end time prophecy.
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The "gospel of works" bothers me, because it's very clear that we can never be good enough to live up to God's standards. That's one thing Bono has in common with me...we both love to talk about grace.

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I'm going to write here something a little bit deferent from all tha all of you have writen. I'll not write about prophecies, words, bible, I will write about one thought that I had in my head for a long time and it's shifting of HOPE and FEAR...

2000 years ago christians started to expect the second coming of Jesus with hope and joy. And now when we talk about the "end of the world" we speak of it with fear. If we believe, and if we think that we are the true believers than we should also expect that day with great joy and happiness believing that this world will come to end and that the reign of Jesus and harmony will begin...

I don't know if I would like that day to come just now - I have a lot of confession to make - but I' trying to look at it positively rather than in fear of big terrible and punishing god. I don't want to belive or follow the God who takes pleasure in punishemet, I belive in mercifull God. That's why I don't like to talk religion with realy old people - they are often to fatal and dark, and God should be, or rather IS full of joy and happiness...

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Old 03-04-2002, 12:31 PM   #36
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I myself don't put much thought into the endtimes any more; if it happens it happens. I was only concerned because your post about the end time prophecies by those people you mentioned seemed to invoke more fear/alarm than anything else.
Exactly, foray.
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Z-Edge...the point you made about the Chaplain telling you about the Antichrist being alive today is absolutely true. He of all people should know because the Pope is an antichrist..and that's why he was hesitant in telling you WHO it was...if he really wanted to know WHO it was ;o). The definition of antichrist is this:


Think about this the next time your Chaplain blesses your efforts for war. Think about this the next time the Pope apologizes for all the detestable things the members of his church and those in alliance with it have done to people...little boys too.


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Well if the Pope is an antichrist, then there are a lot of catholics that are in serious trouble! Of course, that would explain U2's unusual popularity; dress up as the devil and then make a deal with the Pope (the sunglass thing was a nice touch too) and you'll get 7 grammys!

I don't know what to say about your last part there. War is not the answer, but that depends on the question too. Many people join military service to protect and help others, not because they enjoy killing or being killed.

I would say our chaplain blessed our peace efforts and not our war efforts. If he didn't- if nobody did, wouldn't it be like Vietnam all over again? Soldiers go and risk their lives to come home and be spit upon.

I don't think a comment about little boys is a good one to make here because it does not apply to every priest and of course it should be apologized for.
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Think about this the next time the Pope apologizes for all the detestable things the members of his church have done to...little boys too.
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Can we Just assume you are an undercover Southern Baptist.

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Don't know I know exactly what you are doing. You are trying to convert people deceptively to your faith. I am simply telling people what you are up to, without judging who you are. If they wish to follow up anyway, then I will have no personal objection.

I'm posting a whole bunch of criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses. Cringe, because I know you aren't allowed to read them. Because I'm nice, I'm warning you ahead of time. Don't read any further, because I am criticizing.

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It just goes to show Jehovah's Witnesses are known for their study of the Holy Scriptures.
LOL...the only reason you quote from the Watchtower is because you aren't allowed to quote from anywhere else! It is so nice that they maintain a monopoly on Biblical interpretation for its followers.

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He of all people should know because the Pope is an antichrist..and that's why he was hesitant in telling you WHO it was...if he really wanted to know WHO it was ;o).
So this is the newest tripe from the Watchtower? How funny that the JW's maintain a hierachy even more oppressive and controlling than the Catholic Church ever was. Need I remind you that, according to the JW's, that Jesus was killed on a tree, not a cross?

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Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.
This seems to be an apt description of the Watchtower. Heavily revisionist interpretations of the Bible that cannot be surmised in any capacity (see "tree"), keeping the Kingdom open to only 144,000 who belong to the JW's, that, I must remind people, takes a monopoly on Christianity. Yes, all non-JWs are going to hell, and most of the JWs, aside from the 144,000, are going with them. Mistreated followers? You are forced to mourn life, not even allowed to celebrate birthdays or holidays, are not allowed to be patriotic in any capacity, those who leave the JWs are shunned, and you aren't allowed to view or read anything not handed by the Watchtower. And, considering, that the JWs maintain a monopoly on Christianity, they certainly pass the criteria on falsely claiming to represent Christ.

You, of all people, should understand that.

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Think about this the next time your Chaplain blesses your efforts for war. Think about this the next time the Pope apologizes for all the detestable things the members of his church and those in alliance with it have done to people...little boys too.
Well, it is because of this little passage that I decided to write this big article criticizing your religion. I've been very nice, but you crossed the line.

Lest we forget, the JW's predicted the end of the world more than once and failed, despite the fact that the Bible specifically states that no one will know the exact time of the end. The Millerites, the religion it split off from in the 19th century, collapsed for failing to predict the end of the world several times over.

You thin my patience...

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Uh, Melon...please don't attack my religion like you know what it's about. You don't, I do.

And as always..you're taking the discussion into a totally different area...that has nothing to do with the original question that z-edge posted to all of us and our VARIOUS faiths. You have a faith I presume and it influences your remarks and rants just like my religion influences my train of thought.

All anyone has to do is read the bible and the WATCHTOWER. They are offered regularly to anyone interested in Bible prophecy, like z-edge. No, I won't consider you to be a mindless zombie for reading them ).

Thanks AGAIN for bringing attention to the WATCHTOWER magazines that are widely recognized by people as being published by the Jehovah's Witnesses who study the BIBLE in depth concerning biblical prophecy and end-times. They have made it really easy for me to understand Bible prophecy and have made it enjoyable to learn.




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Many people join military service to protect and help others, not because they enjoy killing or being killed.

I would say our chaplain blessed our peace efforts and not our war efforts. If he didn't- if nobody did, wouldn't it be like Vietnam all over again? Soldiers go and risk their lives to come home and be spit upon.

I don't think a comment about little boys is a good one to make here because it does not apply to every priest and of course it should be apologized for.
I didn't say it applied to every priest...it applies to the organization because they allow the molestors to continue in their organization. It was on the national news recently. Should the news apologize for reporting it?

I never heard anyone say that about the armed services before. Now, I understand it better; Why it's appealing to men and women like yourself. It's a very noble idea.

However, it ties in with alliances and organizations representing the antichrist. Because the people you work for have the right to ASK you to kill or wound anyone that they deem as a THREAT to the peace and stability of a nation (foreign or otherwise). Do you honestly feel blessed in being put in the position to have to murder someone based on their political/cultural/religious views? Those Vietnam veterans were put in a position that NO ONE should be put in and they suffered irreprehensible dammage for it. What makes you any different from those veterans? You're fighting for an idea with weapons instead of words and actions. Isn't the Chaplain required to put on a uniform and pledge allegiance to your side? Is that true neutrality?
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I didn't say it applied to every priest...it applies to the organization because they allow the molestors to continue in their organization. It was on the national news recently. Should the news apologize for reporting it?
No I don't think the media should neccesarily apologize for reporting that, and I don't blame the Pope for apologizing on behalf or for catholicism as a whole. I don't believe the Pope is the/an antichrist though.

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I never heard anyone say that about the armed services before. Now, I understand it better; Why it's appealing to men and women like yourself. It's a very noble idea.
Thank you, i'm actually not IN anymore.

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However, it ties in with alliances and organizations representing the antichrist.
HuH?

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Because the people you work for have the right to ASK you to kill or wound anyone that they deem as a THREAT to the peace and stability of a nation (foreign or otherwise)
Rightfully so

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Do you honestly feel blessed in being put in the position to have to murder someone based on their political/cultural/religious views?
As a last resort, and if it means protecting my family or other families or people that are not able to protect themselves then hell yes


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Those Vietnam veterans were put in a position that NO ONE should be put in and they suffered irreprehensible dammage for it. What makes you any different from those veterans?
I didn't go to Vietnam, I can't comment what went on there. I know it is not our practice to strap bombs and "boobytraps" to our kids.


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You're fighting for an idea with weapons instead of words and actions.
Words don't work too well against terrorists, Iraq, etc.


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Isn't the Chaplain required to put on a uniform and pledge allegiance to your side? Is that true neutrality?
Of course, he/she is there to comfort and console the troops and offer religious advice and sermon in peacetime and war. This could include marriage counseling, depression, anything you could imagine. How comforting would a Chaplain be if they were to NOT pledge allegiance to your side, and condemn your actions???


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YaY for me I finally learned how to properly post to quotes! It only took me a year+ 3500 posts.... ....never said I was smart
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YaY for me I finally learned how to properly post to quotes! It only took me a year+ 3500 posts.... ....never said I was smart
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I am interested in something. Will you post John 1:1 for me? Thanks.
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