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Old 04-04-2008, 03:49 PM   #16
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc. There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself. And interestingly, the sympathy for the dead baby seems to be remarkably back-handed -- "While this is obviously a shame..." etc.
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc. There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself.
We're not trying to justify anything! We're trying to make sense of this tragedy. I'm sure everyone here feels like screaming in agony over what the baby went through, and are wondering what could be done to prevent such a thing from happening again.
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc.
And that's defending?

You aren't a lawyer are you?
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There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself. And interestingly, the sympathy for the dead baby seems to be remarkably back-handed -- "While this is obviously a shame..." etc.
I find this to be complete BS...
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there are multiple tragedies here.

one of which is the death of a baby (for some reason, i had thought it was stillborn when i first heard about this), in a horrific manner.

the other tragedy is that this is a girl who was pregnant at 14, and no one noticed? she had no one to tell? did she fear she'd be beaten, abused, disowned, if she told someone?
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Are we willing to call murder a crime, or aren't we? If we're not, then who honestly cares why she did it? Bad stuff happens. C'est la vie.
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc. There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself. And interestingly, the sympathy for the dead baby seems to be remarkably back-handed -- "While this is obviously a shame..." etc.




i think you're putting motivation behind certain comments that aren't totally warranted.
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there are multiple tragedies here.

one of which is the death of a baby (for some reason, i had thought it was stillborn when i first heard about this), in a horrific manner.

the other tragedy is that this is a girl who was pregnant at 14, and no one noticed? she had no one to tell? did she fear she'd be beaten, abused, disowned, if she told someone?
No. One is a tragedy. One is a crime. Which is it?
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Are we willing to call murder a crime, or aren't we? If we're not, then who honestly cares why she did it? Bad stuff happens. C'est la vie.


what is it you're looking for here? death penalty?
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Are we willing to call murder a crime, or aren't we?
If we're not, then who honestly cares why she did it? Bad stuff happens. C'est la vie.
Death is death, but you do realize our society has different categories of murder don't you?

Has one person said anything about this not being a crime?

Man you really read into things...
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No. One is a tragedy. One is a crime. Which is it?



this is needlessly bifurcating a complex situation. all crimes are tragedies, not all tragedies are crimes.
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No. One is a tragedy. One is a crime. Which is it?
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc. There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself. And interestingly, the sympathy for the dead baby seems to be remarkably back-handed -- "While this is obviously a shame..." etc.
No, it's called 'not engaging in black and white thinking.'

Okay, let's look at this from another perspective, and maybe that'll help you see what we're trying to say?

You state that the girl will be fine, with minimum punishment. If that's the case, which I'm not convinced it is, the article only says that she's not eligible for the death penalty (thank goodness for small mercies, given that it took place in killing-happy Texas), not that she won't be punished. But, say your scenario is correct, she gets a slap on the wrist, and is free when she's 18. Wouldn't it be in society's best interest to find out the root cause of this, and try to rehabilitate her to prevent her from performing another crime down the road? Or, like Pearl suggested, that we look at these cases in order to prevent it from happening with other young girls?

Or should we just wring our hands, mourn the death of the babies, proclaim the young mothers inhumane and unworthy of help, and let situations like this continue?
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Or should we just wring our hands, mourn the death of the babies, proclaim the young mothers inhumane and unworthy of help, and let situations like this continue?


maybe we should flush her down the toilet.
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maybe we should flush her down the toilet.
Does it say in the bible we should do that? Can you find a verse?
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