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Old 09-23-2006, 03:48 PM   #31
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from BBC site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...nversion.shtml
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^ Yeah, that's pretty accurate info...although the stuff about "observing all 613 mitzvot" is, technically speaking, nonsense--there are not literally 613; even the most ultra-Orthodox today only observe maybe 250 (a lot of which are things everyone follows, e.g. not bonking your siblings, not slandering people, etc.); and Reform Jews don't consider themselves bound by many of the ritual laws (as opposed to the ethical ones) at all.
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It's not some "shite", Se7en. It's Biblical. The Bible makes it very clear that when a person becomes a Christian, he is "born again". He actually becomes a "new creation". The old man (the sin nature) is crucified, and a new nature takes its place. The person now has the Holy Spirit within him.

So, how could a person who is "born again", a new creation, having the new nature, go back to having a sin nature? The sin nature is crucifed, dead.

This is my belief: You can't change from Christianity to another religion like you change your underwear. Once Saved, Always Saved.
Can't you leave ANYTHING alone??

Fundamentalists like you are exactly the problem with today's world.
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Can't you leave ANYTHING alone??

Fundamentalists like you are exactly the problem with today's world.
I've never killed anyone, I've never assaulted anyone. I've never raped anyone. The only time I stole from anyone was when I was a kid.

But I am what's wrong with the world.

And why? Because someone calls my beliefs shite and I defend them.

Grow up.
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so, to clarify- was i never a christian in the first place or am i still a christian regardless of how i may feel now?
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so, to clarify- was i never a christian in the first place or am i still a christian regardless of how i may feel now?
I have no idea if you are a Christian or not; only you and God know if you actually gave your life to him or if it was just an emotional experiment.

But if you were really a Christian, I truly believe that you still are.
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Thanks for all the support and info. I mean it's not a done deal or anything but I mean I have a pretty irish last name i dont know of many irish jews.
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Thanks for all the support and info. I mean it's not a done deal or anything but I mean I have a pretty irish last name i dont know of many irish jews.
May I ask what it is that appeals to you about Judaism? Is it the culture, the traditions, the religious beliefs?
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All of it. Again,im simply giving this some thought that's all.


....I guess I just don't believe jesus was the literall son
of God. Not to mention many other things in the christian religion don't sit well with me.
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All of it. Again,im simply giving this some thought that's all.
Well, as a Christian, I have great respect for Judaism. Like I said earlier, it is the foundation of Christianity. But I really also believe that Christ is the Messiah prophesied about in the Old Testament. I would urge you to look into the Messianic prophesies in the Old Testament and check tehm against Jesus to see if he fulfills them. You could start by reading the list I posted earlier. If you want more info, let me know.
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Old 09-25-2006, 02:57 AM   #41
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Just to throw in my two cents worth - I have started on the conversion path - ah, love is a splendid thing - but also Judaism makes a lot of sense. I was previously atheist.
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I've pondered converting to Judaism quite a bit over the last year or so.

I was raised a "Christian" with vague beliefs, and (sometimes) going to church on holidays. When I was 13, I became an actual Christian. As in, Spirit-filled (in the Evangelical sort of sense). And though I went to church/church activities nearly constantly, as I got older and matured, I began questioning what I was being told. Eventually I reached the breaking point and decided that I would be a liar if I continued calling myself a Christian. I barely believed any of it anymore. I felt like nothing but a sinner. After over a year of telling myself I was Agnostic, I realized that that wasn't quite right either. I still believed, just mostly in the first half of the book.

One of the things holding me back from conversion is that it's a really big step, and I'd like to further decide that it's what I really want. On top of that, my area has a very, very small Jewish community, with only one Temple, and not even a permanent Rabbi. I don't know if they can handle me!
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Thanks for all the support and info. I mean it's not a done deal or anything but I mean I have a pretty irish last name i dont know of many irish jews.
Pete Hamill wrote a novel called Forever in which the main character's mother is an Irish Jew.
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so, to clarify- was i never a christian in the first place or am i still a christian regardless of how i may feel now?
Here's another Christian perspective (differing from 80s). Even after you accept Christ into your life, you still retain your freedom of choice. You can't get "stuck" as a Christian. Once saved, always saved. . .as long you want to be. God will let you walk away if that's your desire, though it pains Him to do so, and He will always be waiting should you decide to return.

That's what my understanding is anyway.
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Wow, there's other people going through the same thought pattern as me! so you guys raised christian I mean what would your family think? Do you guys feel like you have no strong connections to judaism so you don't belong?
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