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Old 05-07-2006, 01:34 PM   #1
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The wheels of history have a tendency to roll back over the same ground. For the past 33 years — since, as they see it, the wanton era of the 1960's culminated in the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 — American social conservatives have been on an unyielding campaign against abortion. But recently, as the conservative tide has continued to swell, this campaign has taken on a broader scope. Its true beginning point may not be Roe but Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 case that had the effect of legalizing contraception. "We see a direct connection between the practice of contraception and the practice of abortion," says Judie Brown, president of the American Life League, an organization that has battled abortion for 27 years but that, like others, now has a larger mission. "The mind-set that invites a couple to use contraception is an antichild mind-set," she told me.

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Organizations like the Christian Medical and Dental Associations, which inject a mixture of religion and medicine into the social sphere, operate from a broadly Christian perspective that includes opposition to some forms of birth control. Edward R. Martin Jr., a lawyer for the public-interest law firm Americans United for Life, whose work includes seeking to restrict abortion at the state level and representing pharmacists who have refused to prescribe emergency contraception, told me: "We see contraception and abortion as part of a mind-set that's worrisome in terms of respecting life. If you're trying to build a culture of life, then you have to start from the very beginning of life, from conception, and you have to include how we think and act with regard to sexuality and contraception."

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Many Christians who are active in the evolving anti-birth-control arena state frankly that what links their efforts is a religious commitment to altering the moral landscape of the country. In particular, and not to put too fine a point on it, they want to change the way Americans have sex.

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Their ultimate goal is not a number — the percentage of abortions or unintended pregnancies — but an ideal, a way for people to think and behave. As Mohler says of the Dutch approach in particular: "The idea is to completely sever the sex act from reproduction, and then train teens to do it. It treats sex as a morally meaningless act. I find it profoundly anti-humanistic."
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"We see a direct connection between the practice of contraception and the practice of abortion," says Judie Brown, president of the American Life League
How does this person become a president of anything?
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Because contraceptive pills and condoms have no other use than preventing pregnancies. Yeah, mmhmm...

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Hey folks, feminists have known about these wackos for years. I've even warned about this in FYM before.

I'm glad the mainstream media has finally noticed. MS. magazine was on their trail decades ago.
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It really does give credence to the argument that abortion was never about the unborn, but about controlling women. Contraception - same thing. Maybe if we're all barefoot and pregnant and back in the kitchens, these old farts can go back to ruling the world like they did 500 years ago.
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First of all, as much as both prevent birth, contraception doesn't even allow conception, which is when pro-lifers say life begins so I don't see it on the same level as abortion. And condoms not only prevent conception but also prevent the spread of diseases such as AIDS. That's one of the reasons the Catholic Church is in the process of reviewing its stance when it comes to condoms.

Second, if the goal is to change the way people think and behave about sex, why are they not also coming out about Viagra? All the ads act like sex is a fun thing shared by a couple and don't advertise it as a way for couples to conceive. Shouldn't that also then be banned along with birth control pills?
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And condoms not only prevent conception but also prevent the spread of diseases such as AIDS. That's one of the reasons the Catholic Church is in the process of reviewing its stance when it comes to condoms.

AIDS has been around now for how long, and they're just now reviewing their stance on condoms. Which makes this entire thing even more proposterous.
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Second, if the goal is to change the way people think and behave about sex, why are they not also coming out about Viagra?
Because Viagra benefits men. Contraception benefits women.

It's not that hard to figure out.

It's the same reason insurance pays for Viagra, yet isn't required to pay for birth control.
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How these imbeciles can function with such tiny little minds is beyond me.
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Their logic is so horrible. "Let's see here, event A started happening about the same time or before event B. Event A must've caused B." (Can't you hear Bush say that?)
If that is true, then it can be argued that the red light causes the green light to light up at a stop light.
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Read this the other day and almost flipped my lids. These extremists need to mind their own bees wax when it comes to issues of the federal government. Can we please utilize the idea of separation of church and state!!

I would be making a fairly confident educated guess on this, but I believe that the major majority of the country supports contraception. Especially fathers and mothers of teenage girls. But the problem is that these "folks" have too much power. I mean the Head of the FDA doesn't beleiev in contraception!!! The FDA HEAD!!!!! Appointed by Bush. This is very very scary and wrong.

And the fact that Bush dodges the question of whether or not he supports contraception is even more scarier. I'm not sure if him dodging the question means he supports it or is against it, but something tells me he's not "sponge worthy" and not a fan of the "Trojans".....

Anger....I am filled with anger....
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I would be making a fairly confident educated guess on this, but I believe that the major majority of the country supports contraception. Especially fathers and mothers of teenage girls. But the problem is that these "folks" have too much power. I mean the Head of the FDA doesn't believe in contraception!!! The FDA HEAD!!!!! Appointed by Bush. This is very very scary and wrong.
Yes, this is frightening to me, as I take birth control pills to regulate hormones and migraines that would otherwise incapacitate me for a week straight every month. All but two of my friends also take birth control, and none of us actually need it as contraception.
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I would be making a fairly confident educated guess on this, but I believe that the major majority of the country supports contraception. Especially fathers and mothers of teenage girls.
Don't stop there. Try husbands and wives. There are many men and women who are in loving marriages that decide to have vasectomies or tubal ligations, which are also considered forms of contraception. These anti-contraception people seem to forget that there are grown adults who are mature enough to make decisions about their reproduction health, whether it's a personal decision made by one individual or a decision made by two people in a committed and loving relationship.
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And the fact that Bush dodges the question of whether or not he supports contraception is even more scarier..
Yeah, because the Good Lord blessed them with a miraculous one-time pregnancy in their 30+ years of marriage. How convenient.

This is really reaching absurd levels now.
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These anti-contraception people seem to forget that there are grown adults who are mature enough to make decisions about their reproduction health
But it's not about the living, breathing people already here. It's about the "rights" of the unborn. C'mon, haven't you been reading your Bible? Haven't you been to South Dakota?
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