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Old 06-02-2008, 01:50 PM   #1
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Conservatives more honest than liberals?

I guess we now have a study to "back up" why "values" voters tend to vote GOP.

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Peter Schweizer: Conservatives more honest than liberals?
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2008-06-02

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The headline may seem like a trick question — even a dangerous one — to ask during an election year. And notice, please, that I didn’t ask whether certain politicians are more honest than others. (Politicians are a different species altogether.) Yet there is a striking gap between the manner in which liberals and conservatives address the issue of honesty.

Consider these results:

Is it OK to cheat on your taxes? A total of 57 percent of those who described themselves as “very liberal” said yes in response to the World Values Survey, compared with only 20 percent of those who are “very conservative.” When Pew Research asked whether it was “morally wrong” to cheat Uncle Sam, 86 percent of conservatives agreed, compared with only 68 percent of liberals.

Ponder this scenario, offered by the National Cultural Values Survey: “You lose your job. Your friend’s company is looking for someone to do temporary work. They are willing to pay the person in cash to avoid taxes and allow the person to still collect unemployment. What would you do?”

Almost half, or 49 percent, of self-described progressives would go along with the scheme, but only 21 percent of conservatives said they would.

When the World Values Survey asked a similar question, the results were largely the same: Those who were very liberal were much more likely to say it was all right to get welfare benefits you didn’t deserve.

The World Values Survey found that those on the left were also much more likely to say it is OK to buy goods that you know are stolen. Studies have also found that those on the left were more likely to say it was OK to drink a can of soda in a store without paying for it and to avoid the truth while negotiating the price of a car.

Another survey by Barna Research found that political liberals were two and a half times more likely to say that they illegally download or trade music for free on the Internet.

A study by professors published in the American Taxation Association’s Journal of Legal Tax Research found conservative students took the issue of accounting scandals and tax evasion more seriously than their fellow liberal students. Those with a “liberal outlook” who “reject the idea of absolute truth” were more accepting of cheating at school, according to another study, involving 291 students and published in the Journal of Education for Business.

A study in the Journal of Business Ethics involving 392 college students found that stronger beliefs toward “conservatism” translated into “higher levels of ethical values.” And academics concluded in the Journal of Psychology that there was a link between “political liberalism” and “lying in your own self-interest,” based on a study involving 156 adults.

Liberals were more willing to “let others take the blame” for their own ethical lapses, “copy a published article” and pass it off as their own, and were more accepting of “cheating on an exam,” according to still another study in the Journal of Business Ethics.

Now, I’m not suggesting that all conservatives are honest and all liberals are untrustworthy. But clearly a gap exists in the data. Why? The quick answer might be that liberals are simply being more honest about their dishonesty.

However attractive this explanation might be for some, there is simply no basis for accepting this explanation. Validation studies, which attempt to figure out who misreports on academic surveys and why, has found no evidence that conservatives are less honest. Indeed, validation research indicates that Democrats tend to be less forthcoming than other groups.

The honesty gap is also not a result of “bad people” becoming liberals and “good people” becoming conservatives. In my mind, a more likely explanation is bad ideas. Modern liberalism is infused with idea that truth is relative. Surveys consistently show this. And if truth is relative, it also must follow that honesty is subjective.

Sixties organizer Saul Alinsky, who both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton say inspired and influenced them, once said the effective political advocate “doesn’t have a fixed truth; truth to him is relative and changing, everything to him is relative and changing. He is a political relativist.”

During this political season, honesty is often in short supply. But at least we can improve things by accepting the idea that truth and honesty exist. As the late scholar Sidney Hook put it, “the easiest rationalization for the refusal to seek the truth is the denial that truth exists.”

Peter Schweizer is the author of “Makers and Takers: Why Conservatives Work Harder, Feel Happier, Have Closer Families, Take Fewer Drugs, Give More Generously, Value Honesty More, Are Less Materialistic and Envious, Whine Less ... And Even Hug Their Children More Than Liberals” (Doubleday).
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Why? The quick answer might be that liberals are simply being more honest about their dishonesty.
Interesting.
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It could be that liberals want higher taxes provided they personally don't have to pay them!
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I think it all depends on the topic.
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I agree that is depends on the topic.
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The Steal This Book strain of thought?


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Those with a “liberal outlook” who “reject the idea of absolute truth” were more accepting of cheating at school, according to another study, involving 291 students and published in the Journal of Education for Business.
This one smells like bullshit to me--I've busted quite a few students for plagiarism in my day (from all over the political spectrum), and I have yet to hear one argue that what they did was OK because there's no 'absolute truth' to the dishonesty of presenting others' work as your own. It's more of a cynical, whatever-gets-the-job-done behavior...achievement treadmill syndrome, rather than valuing the effort in its own right. Which usually dissolves into shame pretty quickly when forced to confront the reality that this entails cheating their professor and their classmates, not just some impersonal 'system.' They know perfectly well it's dishonest; that's not the problem.
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The honesty gap is also not a result of “bad people” becoming liberals and “good people” becoming conservatives. In my mind, a more likely explanation is bad ideas. Modern liberalism is infused with idea that truth is relative. Surveys consistently show this. And if truth is relative, it also must follow that honesty is subjective.
Not only this, but too many people buy into the culture of victimhood and the ensuing sense of entitlement that justifies, in their mind, whatever level of compensation or advantage they deem necessary to settle the debt.
"I do all the work around here...so I'm owed this $20 bill from the register."
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Not only this, but too many people buy into the culture of victimhood and the ensuing sense of entitlement that justifies, in their mind, whatever level of compensation or advantage they deem necessary to settle the debt.
"I do all the work around here...so I'm owed this $20 bill from the register."
This sense of entitlement goes both ways. There are some in here that argue they have a sense of entitlement due to 'status quo', sound familiar?
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This sense of entitlement goes both ways. There are some in here that argue they have a sense of entitlement due to 'status quo', sound familiar?


So the "status quo" that personal honesty, trustworthiness, integrity and character are virtues; stealing, lying and cheating are vices...needs to be replaced?
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So the "status quo" that personal honesty, trustworthiness, integrity and character are virtues; stealing, lying and cheating are vices...needs to be replaced?
Nice twist, but not what I'm talking about, and YOU know that...
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Nice twist, but not what I'm talking about, and YOU know that...
Actually, I never know what you're talking about.
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Actually, I never know what you're talking about.
I don't know how better to explain it without spelling it out for you sometimes and just posting some of your previous posts.



I'm not going to do that...
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So the "status quo" that personal honesty, trustworthiness, integrity and character are virtues; stealing, lying and cheating are vices...needs to be replaced?
Kind of attacking the straw man here, don't you think?
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