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Old 01-25-2005, 11:30 AM   #271
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Let us all, liberal and conservative alike, do our best to stick to the issues and grant each other the same mutual respect we would expect given to us.

That is, at least for me, my goal.

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Old 01-25-2005, 11:32 AM   #272
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Just because "Christians" (and I take great offense to the monopolization of that term by conservatives)


The monopolization has happened because the left/liberal community allowed it to, they (Republicans) saw a good thing, politically, and ran with it).

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And I stick to my original point: the prejudice and discrimination against homosexuals is unequivocably and morally wrong.

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Old 01-25-2005, 11:33 AM   #273
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This "hate the sin, love the sinner" line just keeps getting better. So you mean as well as this fake love, I'll be treated to neverending lectures on "God's word"? Man, I can hardly wait.
This is where you and I differ.

It is one of the basic tenants of Christian belief. It is NOT just applicable to homosexuality.

The difference is other sins are apparenty human beings making choices. Homosexuality in my opinion is not a choice, therefore I can understand that this in and of itself is insulting to lump it in with sins of choice.

I would not however call the application of this basic principal as being "fake love". I would say it is genuine. It may not be the kind of love that you or I would expect in this case, but I would not go so far as to call it "fake". You are never going to change minds with this tactic.
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This "hate the sin, love the sinner" line just keeps getting better. So you mean as well as this fake love, I'll be treated to neverending lectures on "God's word"? Man, I can hardly wait.
If I ever find out exactly where I got that article from I'll post it here so that you can let the author know how you feel.

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The monopolization has happened because the left/liberal community allowed it to, they (Republicans) saw a good thing, politically, and ran with it).
You are correct. However, there is as much of a tradition of a "Christian Left" in U.S. History as there is a tradition of a "Christian Right." As a leftist/liberal and as a Christian, I am reclaiming what is rightfully mine, even if the rest of the left is too scared to.

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You are correct. However, there is as much of a tradition of a "Christian Left" in U.S. History as there is a tradition of a "Christian Right." As a leftist/liberal and as a Christian, I am reclaiming what is rightfully mine, even if the rest of the left is too scared to.

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If you go back and look at NBC post in response to me...unless I am missing something, he does not view the TOPIC of homosexuality to be a CORE principle of Christianity.
Exactly.

We can disagree on this one issue. We can disagree on many other issues. It does not take away faith in Jesus Christ.
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Let us all, liberal and conservative alike, do our best to stick to the issues and grant each other the same mutual respect we would expect given to us.

That is, at least for me, my goal.

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January 25, 2005
Education Secretary Condemns PBS Show
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 11:44 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's new education secretary denounced PBS on Tuesday for spending public money on a cartoon with lesbian characters, saying many parents would not want children exposed to such lifestyles.

The not-yet-aired episode of ``Postcards From Buster'' shows the title character, an animated bunny named Buster, on a trip to Vermont -- a state known for recognizing same-sex civil unions. The episode features two lesbian couples, although the focus is on farm life and maple sugaring.

A PBS spokesman said late Tuesday that the nonprofit network has decided not to distribute the episode, called ``Sugartime!,'' to its 349 stations. She said the Education Department's objections were not a factor in that decision.

``Ultimately, our decision was based on the fact that we recognize this is a sensitive issue, and we wanted to make sure that parents had an opportunity to introduce this subject to their children in their own time,'' said Lea Sloan, vice president of media relations at PBS.

However, the Boston public television station that produces the show, WGBH, does plan to make the ``Sugartime!'' episode available to other stations. WGBH also plans to air the episode on March 23, Sloan said.

PBS gets money for the ``Postcards from Buster'' series through the federal Ready-To-Learn program, one aimed at helping young children learn through television.

Education Secretary Margaret Spellings said the ``Sugartime!'' episode does not fulfill the intent Congress had in mind for programming. By law, she said, any funded shows must give top attention to ``research-based educational objectives, content and materials.''

``Many parents would not want their young children exposed to the lifestyles portrayed in the episode,'' Spellings wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to Pat Mitchell, president and chief executive officer of PBS.

``Congress' and the Department's purpose in funding this programming certainly was not to introduce this kind of subject matter to children, particularly through the powerful and intimate medium of television.''

She asked PBS to consider refunding the money it spent on the episode.

With her letter, Spellings has made criticism of the publicly funded program's depiction of the gay lifestyle one of her first acts as secretary. She began on Monday, replacing Rod Paige as President Bush's education chief.

Spellings issued three requests to PBS.

She asked that her department's seal or any statement linking the department to the show be removed. She asked PBS to notify its member stations of the nature of show so they could review it before airing it. And she asked for the refund ``in the interest of avoiding embroiling the Ready-To-Learn program in a controversy that will only hurt'' it.

In closing, she warned: ``You can be assured that in the future the department will be more clear as to its expectations for any future programming that it funds.''

The department has awarded nearly $99 million to PBS through the program over the last five years in a contract that expires in September, said department spokesman Susan Aspey. That money went to the production of ``Postcards From Buster,'' and another animated children's show, and to promotion of those shows in local communities, she said.

The show about Buster also gets funding from other sources.

In the show, Buster carries a digital video camera and explores regions, activities and people of different backgrounds and religions.

On the episode in question, ``The fact that there is a family structure that is objectionable to the Department of Education is not at all the focus of the show, nor is it addressed in the show,'' said Sloan of PBS.

But she also said: ``The department's concerns align very closely with PBS' concerns, and for that reason, it was decided that PBS will not be providing the episode.'' Stations will receive a new episode, she said.



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``Many parents would not want their young children exposed to the lifestyles portrayed in the episode,'' Spellings wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to Pat Mitchell, president and chief executive officer of PBS.

``Congress' and the Department's purpose in funding this programming certainly was not to introduce this kind of subject matter to children, particularly through the powerful and intimate medium of television.''

They MUST be taught to hate the sin, and say they love the sinner.

When they are young.

If they are conditioned at an early age
they will not hear the obvious contradiction in that statement.
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