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Old 12-09-2006, 01:28 AM   #16
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It's like the difference between karma and grace.
Yet they both exist.
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I am of the belief that God appears to people the way that would make the most sense to them. Don't you think God would know the best way to reach the hearts of those he created? In the end there is one God, and its not yours or mine, its essential for tolerance and understanding. People might disagree on how to honor God all they can, but doesn't change the fact that they all believe the same thing.
I agree with this.

(well, if there is a god, that is. )
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There are religions and philosophies that teach that THAT BEING or energy has come in various forms to enlighten others so that they may tap into the greater energy.
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Yet they both exist.
As fundamentally different concepts. God as impersonal energy is very different than God as personal loving savior. All energy has a source.
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Could all religions be inner connected?
Yes, and it isn't all that far-fetched, particularly to those who have studied anthropology and/or linguistics. No existing religion was created out of a vacuum; they are always an extension of an earlier religion of an earlier culture.

The trouble is that these connections have often occurred thousands of years ago. Some of them are almost literally on the edge of history and prehistory. Others can be derived by generally common deity names and theological similarities within each religion's scriptures. And, most certainly, the history of some religions are forever lost.

Despite their current hatred of each other, the Jewish and Muslim people share a common heritage, as demonstrated linguistically through study of Hebrew and Arabic. Both are designated as "Semitic" languages, and while the Bible likes to portray the Israelites as outsiders claiming their land from "outside enemies," linguistics and history have further demonstrated that they were, in fact, relatives within a larger Semitic family.

Where things get interesting is how Indo-Iranian beliefs get thrown into the mix. Hinduism, being one of the oldest known religions, had a schism during the early Vedic era, which led to Zoroastrianism, which was the state religion of the Persian Empire. And by the way of cultural imperialism, their theology profoundly influenced Judaism (through the Pharisees) and Christianity (both through the Pharisees' heritage and the popularity of Mithraism during the time of Jesus).

And, to add further into the mix, "Indo-Iranian" is merely a sub-family of the larger "Indo-European" family, thus expanding its heritage to all of Europe and Russia.

Now obviously, time has done a great job of obscuring these connections, not to mention the scriptures of many of these religions; after all, a schism usually makes the old religion an enemy of the new religion, so they are quick to try and erase all connections. However, the connections are there, wide open to those who know where to look.
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Old 12-09-2006, 05:07 PM   #21
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God as impersonal energy is very different than God as personal loving savior. All energy has a source.
Indeed. And when that "impersonal energy" manifests as a man here on Earth, you get your "personal savior."

It really isn't complicated.
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Unless it's actually the reverse, which is what Scriptures seem to indicate. All the universe crackles with spiritual energy that came from a Creator. Jesus could have simply reiterated the Buddha's teachings (which had existed for several centuries to that point). He did not, and seemed to go to great lengths to focus on a personal relationship with God (which was considered blasphemous by religious leaders).

Can a love relationship exist without two subjects?
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seeing as how LOVE is an energy, I would say the answer is yes
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Love is a chemical addiction, not an energy.
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Old 12-10-2006, 03:06 AM   #25
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I am not a materialist...I respect your position but I believe in the metaphysical
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Does the one exist at the expense of the other?
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One can be quantified and the other cannot, in the absence of evidence we shouldn't assume.
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I was curious to know what blueeyedpoet meant by "I am a materialist."...how that self-definition played out.
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One can be quantified and the other cannot, in the absence of evidence we shouldn't assume.
Materialism falls short to me because we cannot live our lives entirely as empiricists. Even science is mostly based on likely assumptions not logical deductions. Despite the efforts of the logical positivists (and the analytic philosophers, many of whom teach my field of study at UCLA - who says the academic community is progressive?) a logical system for inductive reasoning cannot be created.
Hell, some would even argue that as we know our senses sometimes fail us, we shouldn't ever trust them. of course this argument is undesirable so most just dismiss it.
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I was curious to know what blueeyedpoet meant by "I am a materialist."...how that self-definition played out.
I am NOT a materialist, meaning I do not believe extended bodies (objects or materials) are all that exists. I believe in a higher dimension of reality, or maybe not even "higher" just an alternative realm - if you will.
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