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Old 10-03-2006, 09:43 PM   #91
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Sorry. Allow me to clarify.

What is the source document, philosophy, theology, culture...etc, that people here are using to say "this is right" and "this is wrong."


the Gay Handbook. you get it when you sign the papers after the recruitment weekend on Fire Island.
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in all seriousness, i don't consult a single book to figure out what i think is right or wrong. i would point to values instilled by your parents and the community you grew up in (it certainly does take a village), combined with the laws under which you have grown up and the education you have received, the books you have read, the experiences you have acquired, all topped off by a certain innate sense of right and wrong, what might be called one's conscience, that are often derived from a sense of empathy, the ability to place yourself in the shoes of another.

for me, it's never been from one place.
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I feel complete sympathy for what being a closeted gay person must be like (as limited as that is given I can't directly experience it), but once you involve other people in that, especially 16 year olds, it just takes it to a whole different level. You are not just hurting/potentially hurting yourself anymore.

What if the affair was consensual? In some cultures - past and present - this would be a perfectly acceptable relationship. Why do you feel our society should be different?
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What if the affair was consensual? In some cultures - past and present - this would be a perfectly acceptable relationship. Why do you feel our society should be different?
Seriously what is your point of this "what if" questioning? If this was truly a consentual affair then the situation would be entirely different, it would just be another hypocritical politician caught in an affair.

What if the intern was his grandma? What if his intern was a Muslim? What if, what if, what if

Just get to your point.
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You gotta love Fox news.

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A thread calling out the Republican party and Fox News...

puts a smile on my face!
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What if the affair was consensual? In some cultures - past and present - this would be a perfectly acceptable relationship. Why do you feel our society should be different?
I have a hunch you're making this issue as complicated as it is to make your point that all laws should be Biblically based.

If that's the case, I should remind you that that even in the Bible, relationships that we would presently consider to be inappropriate are supported in the Bible, including polygamy. What is also left unsaid in the Bible is that most marriages were arranged and normally occurred in the early teen years. More than one scholar has noted, for instance, that if Mary was a typical Jewish girl from 2000 years ago, then she would have given birth to Jesus at around 13 years old, considering that they state that she was not yet married to Joseph.

Cultural mores change for seemingly arbitrary reasons, which is why it is best to apply evolving morality to the test of secular humanism. In this case, modern society has dictated that consensual acts between adults is ethical, whereas acts between minors (as defined by "age of consent" laws) and adults are not ethical. Likewise, any acts in a student/teacher or boss/subordinate position are highly discouraged, due to the potential for abuse of power.

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You gotta love Fox news.

Their sense of journalistic ethics is nothing short of astounding.

"Fair and balanced," my ass.

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You gotta love Fox news.

Unbelievable. Fox News is the biggest sack of crap excuse for news that ever existed. Fox is nothing but a gigantic conservative spin machine that will do the bidding of the republican party even if it means completely misleading the public intentionally. Amazing.
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And Fox viewers will buy it.
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Foley Says He Was Abused by a Clergyman

Oct 03 6:49 PM US/Eastern

By BRIAN SKOLOFF
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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla.



Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through his lawyer Tuesday that he was abused by a clergyman as a teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer messages to teenage male pages.

Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15 by a clergyman. He declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman Catholic.


He declined to identify the clergyman or the church,


Now he is protecting a paedophile?

If this Priest molested him
and this is suggested as an excuse or explanation

how many more Foley time bombs are there out there?

Should not this Priest be turned in and stopped
and those that he molested have an opportunity for healing and get counseling?

Is not that the right thing to do?
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You gotta love Fox news.

20th Century FOX. They're good with entertainment.

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He declined to identify the clergyman or the church,


Now he is protecting a paedophile?

If this Priest molested him
and this is suggested as an excuse or explanation

how many more Foley time bombs are there out there?

Should not this Priest be turned in and stopped
and those that he molested have an opportunity for healing get counseling?

Is not that the right thing to do?
Oh, but he's not protecting him, deep. He just threw this excuse out there...ya know, because. He's still accepting responsibility. It's not the priests' fault. He even said so.
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Their sense of journalistic ethics is nothing short of astounding.

"Fair and balanced," my ass.

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Of coarse when it involves a Republican and CNN...it's a technical gaffe right?
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