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Old 10-01-2006, 12:31 PM   #31
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Would that be the same for hetero and homo or is there a difference?

I think that in many parts of the world this would not be illegal; I don't think that he has any future in public office after this (a nice check against sleeze) but calling for arrest for propositioning a 16 year old teen seems wrong.
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Don't think so.

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Old 10-01-2006, 12:40 PM   #33
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If only he had been in Washington State
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Old 10-01-2006, 02:18 PM   #34
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I'm not going to apologize deep, I didn't intentionally misrepresent you about anything. If you want to continue insisting that I did rather than discuss the actual topic of the thread, well carry on-without me.

And he wasn't just sending porn to the page-didn't anyone read the IM's?

Situations might not be exactly the same, but the fact is that Democrats and Republicans are both capable of certain types of inappropriate behavior, and of hypocrisy, and of covering up for certain activities that their fellow politicians engage in. That's all I have been trying to say. It's good fodder for political haymaking, but the sexual exploitation of children and the preying on them by adults is a matter that goes well beyond that. Yes people will accuse any Republican who is caught in such activity of being a hypocrite, but it's not as if Democrats wouldn't be the same (if they aren't well I guess they're just expected to be moral degenerates or something). Anyone who does this is a despicable hypocrite in my opinion, as any politician who does is-they are betraying the laws they are supposed to abide by, and the people they are supposed to be representing, the ideals they allegedly espouse.

Honestly I can't believe anyone here thinks it's not inappropriate for an adult man or woman to have sexual communication of any kind with a minor. That's how some of these posts are coming across. An adult certainly should be arrested for propositioning a 16 year old.
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An adult certainly should be arrested for propositioning a 16 year old
Propositioning is announcing and intent for consensual sex and if if the age of consent is 16 then why should that be illegal? We are not talking NAMBLA here and I think that once a person is able legally allowed to consent to and choose to have sex then they should be able to do so with whomever they choose.\

I don't think that a middle age man propositioning a teenager for sex is appropriate but I don't think that it or the act itself should be illegal.
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I don't think propositioning a sixteen year old page should be illegal, either. It's inappropriate, to put it mildly.
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The age of consent is 16? Who said that?

Not matter what the age of consent is, Foley or any other adult like him has no business having any sort of sexual communication or conduct with a minor. And legal or not, I don't know why anyone his age would want to have sexual communication and/or sex with a 16 year old, or an 18 year old actually (unless they have a sexual prediliction for children or "almost children"). And that all leaves out the little "technicality" of his position on caucus for missing and exploited children, and the statements he made involving that position.

A man his age sending IM's to a 16 year old such as the ones he sent (and there are allegedly 36 pages of them, even more than what's been revealed) is sexual exploitation of a child in my opinion, even if some law doesn't consider a 16 year old to be a child. I do. If I was the parent of a 16 year old, and a man Foley's age was sending him/her sexual IM's, you can be damn sure I would want the law to get involved somehow. Foley is not an 18 or 20 year old with a "crush" on a 16 year old.
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The age of the perp is also important. Being involved with and underage child at 19 is vastly different in the eyes of the law than if you are 35 years old.
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Since when is harassment ok? 36 pages, it takes not, to ask.

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Once you reach the age of consent can't you have consensual sex with anyone over that age?
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How long did the GOP know about Foley's inappropriate behavior???

5 years??

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GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001

October 01, 2006 4:00 PM

Maddy Sauer and Anna Schecter Report:

Republican staff member warned congressional pages five years ago to watch out for Congressman Mark Foley, according to a former page.

Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News he and other pages were warned about Foley by a supervisor in the House Clerk's office.

Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told "don't get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff."


Staff members at the House Clerk's office did not return calls seeking comment.

Some of the sexually explicit instant messages that led to Foley's abrupt resignation Friday were sent to pages in Loraditch's class.

Pages report to either Republican or Democratic supervisors, depending on the political party of the member of Congress who nominate them for the page program.

Several Democratic pages tell ABC News they received no such warnings about Foley.

Loraditch says that some of the pages who "interacted" with Foley were hesitant to report his behavior because "members of Congress, they've got the power." Many of the pages were hoping for careers in politics and feared Foley might seek retribution.

Loraditch runs the alumni association for the U.S. House Page Program, and he is deeply concerned about the future effects this scandal could have on a program that he sees as a valuable educational experience for teens.
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I am sure that your faith in the GOP has been shattered
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I am and have been a registered Republican for approx. 30 years, now.

and this bunch is the worst group of worthless louts I have ever seen.
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Once you reach the age of consent can't you have consensual sex with anyone over that age?
that's exactly it!
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Interstate communications-and soliticing an underage person for sex online is a federal crime. It doesn't matter if the solicitor is 52 or 18, I would imagine.

This is why the FBI is investigating

(AP)While GOP leaders scramble to contain the political fallout from the latest Washington sex scandal, the FBI is examining Republican Rep. Mark Foley 's e-mail exchanges with teenage boys and the former congressman has checked himself into an alcohol rehabilitation facility.

The FBI "is conducting an assessment to see if there's been a violation of federal law," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said, declining to elaborate.

Foley announced Monday through his attorney that he had been battling alcoholism and had checked into an unidentified rehabilitation facility for treatment over the weekend. "I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems," Foley said in a statement released in Florida by his attorney, David Roth.



So will he blame it on alcohol?

October 1, 2006

Painfully, the events that led to my resignation have crystalized recognition of my longstanding significant alcohol and emotional difficulties.

I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and related behavioral problems.

On Saturday, with the loving support of my family and friends, I made arrangements to enter a renowned in-patient facility to address my disease and related issues.

I deeply regret and accept full responsibility for the harm I have caused.

Over the weekend, I communicated extensively with one of the most respected mental health experts in Palm Beach County, Florida, who has been instrumental in counseling and assisting me.

Attorney David Roth, my good friend of four decades has been requested by me to fully and completely cooperate regarding any inquiries that may arise during my treatment.

Words cannot express my gratitude for the prayers and words of encouragement that have been conveyed to me.

Sincerely,

Mark A. Foley
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