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Old 11-02-2005, 07:33 PM   #76
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the obsession was with a 1.7 trillion tax cut that favors the very wealthy
Ah, but that's a never-ending obsession for the Republican Party. Bush's new tax plans are nothing but 1986 Part II, and they were very damaging to the working class.

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Ah, but that's a never-ending obsession for the Republican Party. Bush's new tax plans are nothing but 1986 Part II, and they were very damaging to the working class.
The Reagan cuts encouraged the capital formation that led to economic boom of the 90's.
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The Reagan cuts encouraged the capital formation that led to economic boom of the 90's.
And what a boom that was...a false economy based on the irrational exuberance of internet stocks, virtually none of which even earned a profit to deserve their stock prices. Add that with deliberately false accounting practices with an irrational exuberance towards deregulation, and you have a stock market collapse with large corporations declaring bankruptcy and 401K plans slashing in value. I dare say our stagnant employment climate is due to the fact that many older workers were gambling with their retirement funds and lost.

In other words, the 1986 "tax plan" was a joke.

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And what a boom that was...a false economy based on the irrational exuberance of internet stocks, virtually none of which even earned a profit to deserve their stock prices. Add that with deliberately false accounting practices with an irrational exuberance towards deregulation, and you have a stock market collapse with large corporations declaring bankruptcy and 401K plans slashing in value. I dare say our stagnant employment climate is due to the fact that many older workers were gambling with their retirement funds and lost.

In other words, the 1986 "tax plan" was a joke.

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The economy, post Reagan, has not seen the malaise suffered through the 70's. The recessions of the early 90's and early 00's were mere corrections following overheated booms in the late 80's and late 90's. Over all, the economy greatly benefited from the 1986 tax plan.
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Sting just raised the big "W" piñata - everyone wants a swing.

and that, typically, is against the forum rules.
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The economy, post Reagan, has not seen the malaise suffered through the 70's. The recessions of the early 90's and early 00's were mere corrections following overheated booms in the late 80's and late 90's. Over all, the economy greatly benefited from the 1986 tax plan.
I beg to differ when that "prosperity" was all based on perception and not reality.

But if the Reagan Administration proved anything at all, it was that postmodernism is real, even if most people don't believe it.

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"President Bush has said that marrying his wife Laura was the best decision he ever made............. that's not really that hard to beleive"


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how can anyone respond to this?

there is no more need to speak rationally with people when they will never learn.

some of you are sick beyond words.
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how can anyone respond to this?

there is no more need to speak rationally with people when they will never learn.

some of you are sick beyond words.




um, you'll find few people who dislike Bush more than i do.

but i really think that last comment is way, way out of line.
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instead of calling Bush supporters "sick," why don't we allow reality to speak louder and more effectively than we could:



[q]Bush's Popularity Reaches New Low
58 Percent in Poll Question His Integrity

By Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 4, 2005; Page A01

For the first time in his presidency a majority of Americans question the integrity of President Bush, and growing doubts about his leadership have left him with record negative ratings on the economy, Iraq and even the war on terrorism, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

On almost every key measure of presidential character and performance, the survey found that Bush has never been less popular with the American people. Currently 39 percent approve of the job he is doing as president, while 60 percent disapprove of his performance in office -- the highest level of disapproval ever recorded for Bush in Post-ABC polls.

Virtually the only possible bright spot for Bush in the survey was generally favorable, if not quite enthusiastic, early reaction to his latest Supreme Court nominee, Samuel A. Alito Jr. Half of Americans say Alito should be confirmed by the Senate, and less than a third view him as too conservative, the poll found.

Overall, the survey underscores how several pillars of Bush's presidency have begun to crumble under the combined weight of events and White House mistakes. Bush's approval ratings have been in decline for months, but on issues of personal trust, honesty and values, Bush has suffered some of his most notable declines. Moreover, Bush has always retained majority support on his handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism -- until now, when 51 percent have registered disapproval.

The CIA leak case has apparently contributed to a withering decline in how Americans view Bush personally. The survey found that 40 percent now view him as honest and trustworthy -- a 13 percentage point drop in the past 18 months. Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- said they have doubts about Bush's honesty, the first time in his presidency that more than half the country has questioned his personal integrity.

The indictment Friday of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, in the CIA leak case added to the burden of an administration already reeling from a failed Supreme Court nomination, public dissatisfaction with the economy and continued bloodshed in Iraq. According to the survey, 52 percent say the charges against Libby signal the presence of deeper ethical wrongdoing in the administration. Half believe White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, the president's top political hand, also did something wrong in the case -- about 6 in 10 say Rove should resign.

Beyond the leak case, Americans give the administration low scores on ethics, according to the survey, with 67 percent rating the administration negatively on handling ethical matters, while just 32 percent give the administration positive marks. Four in 10 -- 43 percent -- say the level of ethics and honesty in the federal government has fallen during Bush's presidency, while 17 percent say it has risen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110301685.html

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Fascinating. Let it trickle down to VA!
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Re: Congratulations To All Bush Supporters..

There was no stolen election. John Kerry got it handed to him.
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The country was essentially split down the middle, I wouldn't call that being "handed to".
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The country was essentially split down the middle, I wouldn't call that being "handed to".
Fuzzy math...
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instead of calling Bush supporters "sick," why don't we allow reality to speak louder and more effectively than we could:



[q]Bush's Popularity Reaches New Low
58 Percent in Poll Question His Integrity

By Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 4, 2005; Page A01

For the first time in his presidency a majority of Americans question the integrity of President Bush, and growing doubts about his leadership have left him with record negative ratings on the economy, Iraq and even the war on terrorism, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

On almost every key measure of presidential character and performance, the survey found that Bush has never been less popular with the American people. Currently 39 percent approve of the job he is doing as president, while 60 percent disapprove of his performance in office -- the highest level of disapproval ever recorded for Bush in Post-ABC polls.

Virtually the only possible bright spot for Bush in the survey was generally favorable, if not quite enthusiastic, early reaction to his latest Supreme Court nominee, Samuel A. Alito Jr. Half of Americans say Alito should be confirmed by the Senate, and less than a third view him as too conservative, the poll found.

Overall, the survey underscores how several pillars of Bush's presidency have begun to crumble under the combined weight of events and White House mistakes. Bush's approval ratings have been in decline for months, but on issues of personal trust, honesty and values, Bush has suffered some of his most notable declines. Moreover, Bush has always retained majority support on his handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism -- until now, when 51 percent have registered disapproval.

The CIA leak case has apparently contributed to a withering decline in how Americans view Bush personally. The survey found that 40 percent now view him as honest and trustworthy -- a 13 percentage point drop in the past 18 months. Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- said they have doubts about Bush's honesty, the first time in his presidency that more than half the country has questioned his personal integrity.

The indictment Friday of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, in the CIA leak case added to the burden of an administration already reeling from a failed Supreme Court nomination, public dissatisfaction with the economy and continued bloodshed in Iraq. According to the survey, 52 percent say the charges against Libby signal the presence of deeper ethical wrongdoing in the administration. Half believe White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, the president's top political hand, also did something wrong in the case -- about 6 in 10 say Rove should resign.

Beyond the leak case, Americans give the administration low scores on ethics, according to the survey, with 67 percent rating the administration negatively on handling ethical matters, while just 32 percent give the administration positive marks. Four in 10 -- 43 percent -- say the level of ethics and honesty in the federal government has fallen during Bush's presidency, while 17 percent say it has risen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110301685.html

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Excuse me, but why is it so interesting what the polls say? Bush is going to stay in office and he can´t rerun for President.

I really dislike the blah in the media, Bush is like that, his ratings go up, his ratings go down. What is that of any interest to me, they even say it in the news here! It´s not even my President!

And it would only be interesting if polling had some effect. But it doesn´t.

So what is the whole point here?
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