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Old 11-05-2004, 09:15 PM   #16
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I do not include all christians there, just people of any faith that feel that their religion should be forced upon everybody.
I don't believe that anyone's religion should be forced on anyone, or that religion in general should be. If you don't want to watch Will and Grace then don't watch it. I'm Christian, I don't believe homosexuality is right, but I think Will and Grace is funny. I really like that show. So, sue me. That's just my choice to watch it.

I guess I just don't freak out about a "gay" theme like most. You know a "gay" theme and gay people can be downright funny at times. Anyway, I like to see how other people think.

There is some stuff that destroys people, like pornography, and breeds criminals, but I don't see how Will and Grace breeds criminals. Gay people don't hurt me.
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Self-righteousness will end humanity.
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Old 11-05-2004, 09:18 PM   #18
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I agree, FuManchu - Condoleeza, though highly intelligent, is not presidential material. Her track record is... meh.

Back to my gut instincts of earlier, I think she took the fall at the 9/11 Commission hearing. I just don't think she was, or could have been, very forthcoming in her statements. I know I am not alone in feeling this way. I think at the end of the day, what happened was damning to any possible future as someone higher up the white house ladder.
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I agree. I would hate to see the day that is like GOP_Catholic says it will be. One reason is that I know DARN well that LDS people would be treated inhumanely, too, by these Christians...I just know it, because we already are. Christians don't even treat each other well, especially when they don't want to accept them as Christians.
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Who is this bible thumper, the one that has not made a single reference to the bible?
I don't know, but I know one thing's for sure. GOP is sick of riding in the back of the bus.
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I don't know, but I know one thing's for sure. GOP is sick of riding in the back of the bus.
Lol.
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Hey hey, hush that fuss, everybody move to the back of the bus... OK. I know. This isn't bang and clatter. But for some reason "rosa parks" has been stuck in my head lately...
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Interesting that no one has really mentioned Hillary -- that the focus has been Condi. I frankly don't think either is electable for president. Both bring up deeply negative feelings from the general population regardless of whether it's warranted or not. I'm not sure we have any women who would be strong enough at this point to really make a run for president.

I mean, I supported Elizabeth Dole's run for president in 2000 at first before it went belly up. But now what? Are there any women out there that have a legit shot at president based on what they are doing now? Maybe Nancy Pelosi but I can't think of anyone else at this point, which is a really a shame. We could use a good woman in the White House.
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Both bring up deeply negative feelings from the general population regardless of whether it's warranted or not. I'm not sure we have any women who would be strong enough at this point to really make a run for president.
I don't think this is the main thing that works against either of them.

Americans just elected possibly the most divisive president in history, and demonstrated that so long as you can get your base fired up, you can win the electoral college (no matter how narrowly).

But at this time, I do not feel either of them has a viable chance. Unless they ran against each other, lol, in which case Hillary would take it all the way.
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I don't know, but I know one thing's for sure. GOP is sick of riding in the back of the bus.
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Giuliani is pro-abortion rights and pro gay-rights and the Republicans just got elected based partially on "values." He will never get the support of the party because they have to pander to the right and he is far too centrist. The Dems could put up a centrist and there would be no difference between the candidates at all. I don't see the right wanting to risk it. Moderation is out the window.

Arnold got elected by the GOP as a pro-abortion candidate. As soon as conservatives learn to avoid getting baited into these silly abortion litmus tests, GOP candidates could take all offices.
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Arnold got elected in California, not Alabama.
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Arnold would've never gotten elected in Utah.
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I'm not sure what that says about Arnold? Or Utah?
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arnold would never have gotten elected in a Republican Primary in California.

for that matter Arnold would do better in blue states than red states
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