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Old 04-30-2006, 11:10 PM   #46
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They've already started making such claims...



Like the one Bush did to McCain?
Sure, they are going to stay home because John McCain is a Christian who is pro-life. Lets stay home and let a pro-choice Democrat take over the White House.

Bush won because the party base for funding had already lined up around Bush. Despite that, McCain came a lot closer to pulling off a win than many people realize.

Here in FYM, McCain beat Hillary Clinton in the last poll that we did. You don't get much farther to the left than this place, yet McCain won.

But hey, if you really think McCain is not going to win, who is this Democrat that is going to defeat him?

If all the Democrats are going to do for 2008 is rely on smear columns and hope that certain people won't come out to vote, they will never win another election.
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Sure, they are going to stay home because John McCain is a Christian who is pro-life. Lets stay home and let a pro-choice Democrat take over the White House.
I didn't say they were staying home, they have.
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Bush won because the party base for funding had already lined up around Bush. Despite that, McCain came a lot closer to pulling off a win than many people realize.
You keep telling yourself, Bush didn't smear him.
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Here in FYM, McCain beat Hillary Clinton in the last poll that we did. You don't get much farther to the left than this place, yet McCain won.
You don't get out much if you think you can't get much further left than this...
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But hey, if you really think McCain is not going to win, who is this Democrat that is going to defeat him?

If all the Democrats are going to do for 2008 is rely on smear columns and hope that certain people won't come out to vote, they will never win another election.
You're almost as good as twisting words as your pal Bush.

I never said I'm convinced he isn't going to win, neither did I say all the Dems have to do is rely on the fundies not coming out...

I just don't think it's in the bag like you do.
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Old 04-30-2006, 11:25 PM   #48
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What's truly laughable (in a depressing sort of way) is how the slightest criticism from "the left" these days constitutes a smear campaign. And as BVS pointed out, no one does a smear campaign better than the Republicans.

Look, talking to people and finding common ground is one thing. Giving a speech at their university lends the university and it's cause credibility (that's why you don't see many politicians willing to speak at KKK rallies...). If it was Bill Frist or Rick Santorum going down there it wouldn't be a big deal. But McCain had not too long ago said that we should not be pandering to either extreme, and yet here he is courting one of them. Unless McCain were to pull a surprise and show some backbone again and criticize some of the university's more dubious stances, then he is tacitly okaying what Bob Jones University stands for, and that is what some of us have an issue with.

Personally, I'm hoping he doesn't leave without making it clear he doesn't approve of some of their teachings, but I'm not holding my breath.
No, Democrats want people to believe that John McCain's speaking at the University automatically means that he supports their views on certain issues. He does not, everyone knows that. Democrats want him though to say things that would hopefully alienate a certain block of voters. Their not so concerned about the views of Bob Jones University rather they hope that they can score some political points since their party has not been able to win anything in years, and does not have a candidate that can compete with McCain.
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No, Democrats want people to believe that John McCain's speaking at the University automatically means that he supports their views on certain issues. He does not, everyone knows that.
And now everyone knows that he also comes cheap.

Your support of the Republicans is second only to the smugness with which you discuss any and all future elections, STING. It's highly conducive to having a dialogue here.
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I didn't say they were staying home, they have.


You keep telling yourself, Bush didn't smear him.


You don't get out much if you think you can't get much further left than this...


You're almost as good as twisting words as your pal Bush.

I never said I'm convinced he isn't going to win, neither did I say all the Dems have to do is rely on the fundies not coming out...

I just don't think it's in the bag like you do.
Well, the election has not happened yet, so you can't claim that anyone has stayed home because John McCain was the Republican's nominee.



As far as how far left this place is, consider the fact that in the polling done in here for the 2004 election, Bush scored worse in here than he did in Massachusetts.
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And now everyone knows that he also comes cheap.

Your support of the Republicans is second only to the smugness with which you discuss any and all future elections, STING. It's highly conducive to having a dialogue here.
The important issues of 2008 are not going to be that John McCain spoke to this or that person on the campaign trail. Foreign Policy, The War, the Economy, Trade, these are some of the big issues that will dominate 2008. The fact that some Democrats would rather talk about a visit to a University shows the weakness of the party.
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Do people really think McCain would beat out Gulliani for the nomination so easily?


McCain is pro-life.

Gulliani is pro-choice.
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I know there are some things politicians have to do to get elected, but this is going too far.
I can't help but feel if he's willing to do this then he is pandering to a group of peole that I don't want to have any role in making desicions concerning my country.
For the first time I have begun to question his integerity.
Instead of focusing on this one thing, take a look at John McCain's entire life especially his experience in Vietnam as a prisoner for several years.
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Well, the election has not happened yet, so you can't claim that anyone has stayed home because John McCain was the Republican's nominee.
Wow you really have a hard reading don't you...

I haven't claimed shit, actually you are the one acting like the election has happened, I'm just reporting what some have already said. Just the messanger dude.


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As far as how far left this place is, consider the fact that in the polling done in here for the 2004 election, Bush scored worse in here than he did in Massachusetts.
Still doesn't mean shit, compared to the rest of the internet...
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If you enjoyed Stephen Colbert's appearance at the WH Press Correspondents Dinner, let him know at www.thankyoustephencolbert.org. They're trying to get a million signatures there.
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For the record, I actually like McCain and think he would make a good president, all in all. Immensely better than Bush, that's for sure. But my respect for him has lessened considerably ever since he became Bush's puppet in '04.

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No, Democrats want people to believe that John McCain's speaking at the University automatically means that he supports their views on certain issues. He does not, everyone knows that. Democrats want him though to say things that would hopefully alienate a certain block of voters. Their not so concerned about the views of Bob Jones University rather they hope that they can score some political points since their party has not been able to win anything in years, and does not have a candidate that can compete with McCain.
Maybe partisan hacks who are so politically blinded they only see along party lines want McCain to say things just so he'll alienate viewers and lose the election. The rest of us normal people want him to say things because it'd be the right thing to do, and because deep down inside many if not most "liberals" have a lot of respect (waning though it may be in recent years) for McCain and don't want him catering to the kinds of extremists he himself said Republicans and all politicians shouldn't be catering to.
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Interesting how the news keeps playing the bit with the look-a-like. I've seen very little coverage (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) on Colbert.
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Interesting how the news keeps playing the bit with the look-a-like. I've seen very little coverage (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) on Colbert.
I keep thinking the same thing. Not one news segment I've seen has shown Colbert at all.

I saw it happen live and thought it was great. I am really surprised they let him in.
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Interesting how the news keeps playing the bit with the look-a-like. I've seen very little coverage (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) on Colbert.
Colbert was almost more damning of the press than of the president.
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