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Old 09-07-2005, 02:53 PM   #61
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I don't think the screw-ups are solely Bush's fault. But like pax pointed out he's appointed some really incompetent people who've screwed up with the rescue efforts, like the joker who's head of FEMA. I'm not happy with Bush's cuts in funds for levees, either, that's being pound-foolish and penny wise.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:05 PM   #62
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and rumor has it that it was Bush's college roommate, Allbaugh, who cleansed his National Guard records.

just a rumor.

but makes total fucking sense.
As Bill Maher said last week, "a rumor that I happen to believe."
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Hey, on Wednesday Condi was shopping for shoes, so it seems like she was heeding the advice.
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Re: CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll - Only 13% Blame Bush

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A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:



Government Performance -- 10% said George W. Bush has done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 25% said "good"; 21% said "neither good nor bad"; 18% said "bad"; 24% said "terrible"; 2% had no opinion. -- 8% said federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 27% said "good"; 20% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 22% said "terrible"; 3% had no opinion. -- 7% said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 30% said "good"; 23% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 15% said "terrible"; 5% had no opinion.
So for Bush:

35% positive
21% " "
42% bad
2% "I don't care"

so more negative than positive for him when you look at it that way

for Federal government:
35% positive
20% ""
42% bad
3% "I don't care"

same as Bush

Local:
37% positive
23% ""
35% bad
5% "I don't care"

When you look at it that way, the local government comes out the best. Statistics can always be manipulated.
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Re: Re: CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll - Only 13% Blame Bush

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When you look at it that way, the local government comes out the best. Statistics can always be manipulated.
Not to mention the title is patently false.

13% feel that Bush is primarily to blame not "only 13% blame Bush." Talk about a world of difference.
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:17 PM   #66
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Despite the barrage of liberal bashing against Bush for his supposed mishandling of the Katrina crisis, the American public understands that he isn't to blame.
To quote Jon Stewart:

"No."
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You know it's bad when, instead of laughing, the studio audience makes an "oooooooo, that's not good" noise at Bush's "Trent Lott's new porch" comment .
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Well, he put it a little differently than I did. Mine was the nice version, his was . . . a little rude .

Oooo, tonight he's going to have his "AccuScapegoat2000" to see who's to blame for the hurricane.
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No one man, even the allpowerful president of the USA, lol, could stop a hurricane. It's absurd to think that Bush is the 'cause', or insitagator. Hahaha


However, I think he should take responsability for it.
What I mean is, he is the figurehead for our nation - people think of america, and think of bush. They don't really think of the senate, or congress, not in the same way. As our leader, Bush should be the one to say "Hey, we've got a problem here - let's do something about"., and he should think like "this is my job, my affair. My country."


I still firmly believe that the leadership is to blame. It was a breakdown on all levels, apparently. When your police chief is essentially taken hostage by your own citizens, this something I qualify as an acceptable method of dealing with a crisis.

Sure, people will always be primal, and we are not all that civilized, as events like this show. But leadership had seen a better day, I believe. I don't have enough knowledge to say "who", but I feel that everyone takes a part - local, state, and federal, everyone. Each section should have a plan, a policy, and ultimately, each plan should coincide with the different levels of governemt; streamlining and cooperation.

I don't believe that was the case before, because if it was so, then people wouldn't worry about blaming one and other.


I am reminded of "don't expect, suggest"
But it seems America has trained itself to "be the victim"....
.....


anyhow...



The only thing Katrina has proved to me is that

people are still people
the leadership, gov't, wasn't as prepared as it should have been (even though this is rather unprecedented, that won't cut it in the real world. We need to think out of the box - we are a superpower, right??)
Americans are still Americans, which I am one of, most certainly
People like to whine a lot...
Politics are still politics

So really, I haven't learned a whole lot. Katrina was perhaps a confirmation, nothing more.

Oh yeah, slightly unrelated, I realized I like cooking my own hamburgers...

"mm-hm! .......This is a tastey burger!"
- Sam Jackson



I;ve also learned I'm hungry......
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people are still people
the leadership, gov't, wasn't as prepared as it should have been (even though this is rather unprecedented, that won't cut it in the real world. We need to think out of the box - we are a superpower, right??)
Americans are still Americans, which I am one of, most certainly
People like to whine a lot...
Politics are still politics
And every once and a while, nature will throw something at you that you CANNOT handle, no matter what you have lined up.
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i think the bashing and blaming of the right is a feeble vast wing conspiracy weaker and mirroring the whole bush guard document/dan rather small penis syndrome a short while ago.

"im sorry" dan rather eventually said.

trouble is, most in fym who bash bush will never apologize.
they will never realize their folly until years later, hopefully, if they ever do.
and the saddest thing in their miserable mindset is that as they bashed, it served no purpose, and ppl perished.

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I'm not bashing with no purpose.

I could have been doing that for years in FYM if I really wanted to.
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they will never realize their folly until years later, hopefully, if they ever do.
and the saddest thing in their miserable mindset is that as they bashed, it served no purpose, and ppl perished.

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It's our duty to question this administration so that if and when this occurs in the future, hopefully future administrations will learn and we won't have as many perish under their watch.

Being apologists for Bush's actions will get us nowhere.
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trouble is, most in fym who bash bush will never apologize.
they will never realize their folly until years later, hopefully, if they ever do.
and the saddest thing in their miserable mindset is that as they bashed, it served no purpose, and ppl perished
I don't have anything to apologize for

Does it serve a purpose to look at everything he does through rose colored glasses? I'm not being sarcastic, that is an honest question.

So people perished because of Bush bashing in FYM?
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