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Old 12-21-2004, 09:38 AM   #1
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Climate Variability?

Bush Delegation Blocks Progress at International Conference on Global Warming

While there is no longer any serious debate in the scientific and business communities about whether global warming is real, the Bush Administration last week executed perhaps its most astonishing act of denial at the conclusion of a two-week international conference in Buenos Aires.


The UN conference, attended by some 6,200 government officials, NGO observers and journalists, aimed to begin the implementation process for the 132 nations that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol, and to begin planning further ways to mitigate the spread of greenhouse gases after Kyoto expires in 2012.


But the United States--the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases--all but told the conferees to take a walk. Besides blocking all efforts to conduct substantive discussions, the U.S. allied itself with none other than Saudi Arabia in obstructing efforts to create a system of payments to help poor, low-lying island nations cope with the cost of mitigating damage related to global warming, such as rising sea levels, land erosion and increased storm damage.


"Science tells us that we cannot say with any certainty what constitutes a dangerous level of warming, and therefore what level must be avoided," said Paula Dobriansky, head of the U.S. delegation.


"This is a new low for the United States, not just to pull out, but to block other countries from moving ahead on their own path," said Jeff Fiedler, a climate change expert with the Natural Resources Defense Council, in an interview with The New York Times. "It's almost spiteful to say 'You can't move ahead without us.' If you're not going to lead, then get out of the way," added Fiedler, who attended the conference as an observer. [1]


Addressing the U.S. support of Saudi Arabia's obstruction of aid to countries most vulnerable to the effects of global warming--e.g. Pacific island states such as the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Kiribati and Tuvalu, and Caribbean nations such as Barbados and the Bahamas--Greenpeace observer Steve Sawyer told the Environmental News Service that "We hope everyone has taken note of the bullying tactics of the USA at these negotiations. This...ensures that there will not be the kind of progress we need on negotiations of future emissions cuts during the next 12 months." [2]


The New York Times report concluded by noting that the Bush delegation even opposed further use of the term "climate change," arguing instead for the much vaguer "climate variability." [3]

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[1] "U.S. Waters Down Global Commitment to Curb Greenhouse Gases," New York Times, Dec. 19, 2004.
[2] "Climate Talks Inch Forward Obstructed by U.S.," Environmental News Service, Dec. 20, 2004.
[3] New York Times, op. cit.
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this seems to be the american administration's favourite tactic--eschewing any hope of global progess, while throwing its clout around to bully poorer nations into submission.

i understand that the financial implications of kyoto are staggering for some countries, but who better to bear that burden than the richest country on the planet?

this reminds of a quote i read on a poster once, a cree proverb:

'only when the last tree has died
and the last river been poisoned
and the last fish been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.'

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Great quote!

It's irrelevant when the corporate donors have to be protected. Or his special SA family.
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this is so embarassing. apologies to the whole world. half of us don't like him either.
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this seems to be the american administration's favourite tactic--eschewing any hope of global progess, while throwing its clout around to bully poorer nations into submission.

i understand that the financial implications of kyoto are staggering for some countries, but who better to bear that burden than the richest country on the planet?
Have you ever BEEN to some of th epoorer nations ? The pollution there is STAGGERING, and they do very little to regulate it. I travel frequently to Shanghai, Manila, Bangkok and these places make LA's air look pristine.

Some of these poorer nations would do better to clean their own house before complaining about what the US does.
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The general consensus now seems to be that the fight against enhanced global warming will just have to be put on hold for about 4 years, hoping someone with a bigger grasp of reality will have taken residence in the White House by then.

Sad but true.
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Have you ever BEEN to some of th epoorer nations ? The pollution there is STAGGERING, and they do very little to regulate it. I travel frequently to Shanghai, Manila, Bangkok and these places make LA's air look pristine.

Some of these poorer nations would do better to clean their own house before complaining about what the US does.
I love this tactic everytime the US does something wrong we point at the other countries. How does any of what you say excuse the US from doing this? None.
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I love this tactic everytime the US does something wrong we point at the other countries. How does any of what you say excuse the US from doing this? None.
Did I SAY it excused the US from it's own responsibilities ? No.

I merely pointed that many nations could do worse than to get their own houses in order.

Anyone who's ever travelled to those places will know what I mean.
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Anyone who's ever travelled to those places will know what I mean.
I do know what you mean and I think this would have been a step forward for many of them, but instead the US decided to take a step backwards.

Hopefully in four years we'll stop denying science and start making steps forward again.
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Have you ever BEEN to some of th epoorer nations ? The pollution there is STAGGERING, and they do very little to regulate it. I travel frequently to Shanghai, Manila, Bangkok and these places make LA's air look pristine.

Some of these poorer nations would do better to clean their own house before complaining about what the US does.
But those countries weren't even mentioned. The ones that were to receive relief were ones at or below sea level that the artic cap melt are flooding or creating monsoons or hurricanes. While the places you mentions may have little regulation, we the US still create the most, more than almost all other countries combined, greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change.
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Hopefully in four years we'll stop denying science and start making steps forward again.
Even the Bush administration has acknowledged that the Earth is warming because of human activities but decides to do bugger all about it.
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I do know what you mean and I think this would have been a step forward for many of them, but instead the US decided to take a step backwards.
There are many steps they can take independently of Kyoto, let's see if they do.
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There are many steps they can take independently of Kyoto, let's see if they do.
HA!
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There are many steps they can take independently of Kyoto, let's see if they do.
Kinda seems silly that you are adamantly ignoring the US administrations role in this. Of course every country to take steps to make their own environment better, but this was a big step for the planet. Bush and his environmentally challenged staff chose to ignore that.
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This sucks. One more reason I didn't vote for Bush.
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