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Old 03-26-2006, 02:16 PM   #31
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Facts that, let's face it, neither party did anything about.
Try telling that to Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu and former Sen. John Breaux. They were strong supporters of the $14 billion restoration long before Hurricane Katrina was on the weather map.

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Try telling that to Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu and former Sen. John Breaux. They were strong supporters of the $14 billion restoration long before Hurricane Katrina was on the weather map.

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I don't know them personally, but I'm sure THEY would understand that the possibility of New Orleans being flooded by a massive hurricane has been around for HUNDREDS of years, not only since the '90's.

But If I ever see them I'll be sure to ask them.
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I don't know them personally, but I'm sure THEY would understand that the possibility of New Orleans being flooded by a massive hurricane has been around for HUNDREDS of years, not only since the '90's.
And with every massive hurricane prior to Katrina, the wetlands were there to pick up the slack and be the front line for damaging winds and flooding. The risk for catastrophic damage, as happened with Katrina, was not a risk for centuries.

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If the wetlands had not been damaged, the levees flat out may never have been breached.

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"May".. ?

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

You don't know for sure then ? OK.....
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And with every massive hurricane prior to Katrina, the wetlands were there to pick up the slack and be the front line for damaging winds and flooding. The risk for catastrophic damage, as happened with Katrina, was not a risk for centuries.

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Sure it is. As long as there was a gulf and as long as there was a hurricane season there was ALWAYS a possibility. Still is. Who knows what would happen if a stronger hurricane would have hit if the wetlands would have been enough. I don't, and neither do you.
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"May".. ?

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

You don't know for sure then ? OK.....
An excellent summary of the GOP's faith-based approach to science. If the science doesn't agree with the ideology, then its time to belittle and/or ignore it.

Funny, though, how the study's assessment of the disaster itself was right on target. But hey...let's dismiss the solution they came up with as well.

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Sure it is. As long as there was a gulf and as long as there was a hurricane season there was ALWAYS a possibility. Still is. Who knows what would happen if a stronger hurricane would have hit if the wetlands would have been enough. I don't, and neither do you.
I'll trust the science behind this, rather than a shoddy "what if" scenario, thank you.

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An excellent summary of the GOP's faith-based approach to science. If the science doesn't agree with the ideology, then its time to belittle and/or ignore it.

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Amazing. You somehow managed to equate the fact that you don't have the brain function to foretell the future to a "faith-based approach to science"

Quite quite amazing.
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Amazing. You somehow managed to equate the fact that you don't have the brain function to foretell the future to a "faith-based approach to science"

Quite quite amazing.
On the contrary, they did foretell the future. The potential disaster, along with the estimated cost of ignoring their solution, were right on the mark in the study.

It really is quite amazing.

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I'll trust the science behind this, rather than a shoddy "what if" scenario, thank you.

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Fair enough. When science can predict exactly what levels of damage would occur in every given scenario and when science can accuratley predict when those weather systems will hit, I will then fault the reigning party at that time for their inaction.

On that we can agree.
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On the contrary, they did foretell the future. The potential disaster, along with the estimated cost of ignoring their solution, were right on the mark in the study.

It really is quite amazing.

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Studies of hypothetical scenarios are really interesting reading, I'm sure there are many "what if" studies floating around right now. I hope the Dems will act upon every single one of them if they ever get back into power. Just as I'm sure they acted upon every one there ever was in those times in the past when they were in power.
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Studies of hypothetical scenarios are really interesting reading, I'm sure there are many "what if" studies floating around right now. I hope the Dems will act upon every single one of them if they ever get back into power. Just as I'm sure they acted upon every one there ever was in those times in the past when they were in power.
Well, since we're going to talk about larger trends here, the larger trends are that Republicans are largely lacking when it comes to domestic policy. This is why nearly every Republican administration compulsively obsesses itself with foreign policy.

I can only imagine how the $500 billion we've spent on Iraq could have been put to use here in the U.S. It makes quibbling over $14 billion over the years seem all the more petty.

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Since the initial post was political in nature and referred to floods, I suppose NOLA is a relevant enough topic to qualify as "on-track." Although I don't see the present discussion going much of anywhere at this point, which might qualify as a reason to close this if it continues on in this line.
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Amazing. You somehow managed to equate the fact that you don't have the brain function to foretell the future to a "faith-based approach to science.
And no more personal attacks for sure, please.
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I guess we are back to where we started. The entire argument against the GOP is based on the unquantified possibility that a wetlands preservation project would have prevented the Katrina disaster.

And if you don't agree with the use of such fragments of science, you get slapped with the "faith-based approach" label.

Of course, you are not relying on science (which would involve testing such a hypothesis), but on junk science - the scientific sounding notions that have an emotional appeal, loosely based on some truth, though never properly linked together in a true scientific way.

Some things never change.
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I guess we are back to where we started. The entire argument against the GOP is based on the unquantified possibility that a wetlands preservation project would have prevented the Katrina disaster.

And if you don't agree with the use of such fragments of science, you get slapped with the "faith-based approach" label.
When politicians are the ones defining what is "junk science," then, yes, this is a faith-based approach to science. No beating around the Bush here.

The wetlands preservation project existed long before Katrina and was based on a government study. As such, I find the usual Republican excuse for their failures to have little substance this time.

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