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Old 08-08-2005, 08:32 AM   #46
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The Jesus I know uses love, honesty, and compassion as His primary method of evangelizing.

If it's that big of a deal, I'll just delete that part from my post. It doesn't change what I believe and how I act.
You said "you wouldn't see Jesus running around telling people they were sinners", but if you were alive at Christ's time and following his ministry, you would, in fact, see him doing it quite a bit. Christ talked about sin quite a bit, and often pointed it out in people's lives. Christ said that he came to redeem the world unto him, and he also said he came to destroy the works of the devil. Both of those deal with sin. Christ told people they were dead in their sins so that tehy could see that he was the only way to life.

The reason it's big deal at all is because I have often seen people talking only about the loving anc compassionate qualities of Jesus' nature, but never say a word about Christ condemning sin. Many people, and some people in FYM, think that Christ wasn't concerned with people's sins.
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The reason it's big deal at all is because I have often seen people talking only about the loving anc compassionate qualities of Jesus' nature, but never say a word about Christ condemning sin. Many people, and some people in FYM, think that Christ wasn't concerned with people's sins.
Well, like sula and I both said, CHRIST condemns sin. That's not my job as a follower of Christ. My job is to emmulate Him and spread His message of love by serving my fellow human beings (man...that sounds SO cheesy, hehe, but it's true). Only God will judge me and others.
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Well, like sula and I both said, CHRIST condemns sin. That's not my job as a follower of Christ. My job is to emmulate Him and spread His message of love by serving my fellow human beings (man...that sounds SO cheesy, hehe, but it's true). Only God will judge me and others.
You are to be commended for spreading his love - we are called by Christ to do that.

If you are talking to a person about Christ, will you talk about sin in the "general sense" that I spoke of earlier, that all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, so that the person will see his/her need for a savior to redeem him/her from sin?
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For example, I'd prefer to focus on helping people, showing them love and compassion like Christ did. Usually, they'll ask about your motivation, then you can say that you are motivated by Christ to care for every person. Sometimes, that really gets to people and they ask to know more, other times, it doesn't so you leave it at that.
This is one of the things I do respect about Christianity. And I can't speak for anyone else, but I would be a million times more likely to listen to someone telling me about their religion in this context rather than the context of them standing in a shopping mall handing out leaflets condemning particular groups in society and claiming that their narrow-minded, judgemental views are the only 'true' religion.

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What frustrates me is when people go off on how they "hate it when Christians..." but really, they're refering to Evangelicals, not ALL Christians. It really gets me down to be constantly lumped into a group I have no part in and don't care to be a part of. This usually happens with pushy, annoying Evangelicals and really radical Fundamentalist groups, both of which as often so far from what I believe to be true Christianity, it sickens me to think that people are under the impression that this is how I live and these are people I associate with.
I hate to sound like a complete idiot, but is Evangelical a particular denomination of Christianity? Or is it more a label to describe people who hold certain beliefs about Christianity without necessarily belonging to a particular Church or denomination?
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The reason it's big deal at all is because I have often seen people talking only about the loving anc compassionate qualities of Jesus' nature, but never say a word about Christ condemning sin. Many people, and some people in FYM, think that Christ wasn't concerned with people's sins.
No I think people in FYM are concerned with the discriminatory way in which some sins are targeted.
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No I think people in FYM are concerned with the discriminatory way in which some sins are targeted.
Yes, absolutely.
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I hate to sound like a complete idiot, but is Evangelical a particular denomination of Christianity? Or is it more a label to describe people who hold certain beliefs about Christianity without necessarily belonging to a particular Church or denomination?
Here's a list that I found. You can see there are several "Evangelical" denominations, but I believe there are others under different names that can also be described as evangelical:

* African Methodist Episcopal
* African Methodist Episcopal Zion
* African Orthodox Church
* American Baptist Churches USA
* Amish
* Anabaptist
* Anglican Catholic Church
* Antiochian Orthodox
* Armenian Evangelical Church
* Armenian Orthodox
* Assemblies of God
* Associated Gospel Churches of Canada
* Association of Vineyard Churches
* Baptist
* Baptist Bible Fellowship
* Branch Davidian
* Brethren in Christ
* Bruderhof Communities
* Byzantine Catholic Church
* Calvary Chapel
* Calvinist
* Catholic
* Cell Church
* Celtic Orthodox
* Charismatic Episcopal Church
* Children of God
* Christadelphian
* Christian and Missionary Alliance
* Christian Churches of God
* Christian Identity
* Christian Reformed Church <-- my denomination
* Christian Science
* Church of God (Anderson)
* Church of God (Cleveland)
* Church of God (Seventh Day)
* Church of God in Christ
* Church of God of Prophecy
* Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
* Church of Scotland
* Church of South India
* Church of the Brethren
* Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
* Church of the Nazarene
* Church of the New Jerusalem
* Church of the United Brethren in Christ
* Church Universal and Triumphant
* Churches of Christ
* Churches of God General Conference
* Congregational Christian Churches
* Coptic Orthodox
* Cumberland Presbyterian Church
* Disciples of Christ
* Episcopal
* Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
* Evangelical Congregational Church
* Evangelical Covenant Church
* Evangelical Formosan Church
* Evangelical Free Church
* Evangelical Lutheran Church
* Evangelical Methodist Church
* Evangelical Presbyterian
* Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
* Fellowship of Grace Brethren
* Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches
* Free Church of Scotland
* Free Methodist
* Free Presbyterian
* Free Will Baptist
* Gnostic
* Great Commission Association of Churches
* Greek Orthodox
* Hutterian Brethren
* Independent Fundamental Churches of America
* Indian Orthodox
* International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
* International Churches of Christ
* Jehovah's Witnesses
* Living Church of God
* Local Church
* Lutheran
* Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
* Mar Thoma Syrian Church
* Mennonite
* Messianic Judaism
* Methodist
* Moravian Church
* Nation of Yahweh
* New Frontiers International
* Old Catholic Church
* Orthodox
* Orthodox Church in America
* Orthodox Presbyterian
* Pentecostal
* Plymouth Brethren
* Presbyterian
* Presbyterian Church (USA)
* Presbyterian Church in America
* Primitive Baptist
* Protestant Reformed Church
* Reformed
* Reformed Baptist
* Reformed Church in America
* Reformed Church in the United States
* Reformed Churches of Australia
* Reformed Episcopal
* Reformed Presbyterian Church
* Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
* Revival Centres International
* Romanian Orthodox
* Rosicrucian
* Russian Orthodox
* Serbian Orthodox
* Seventh Day Baptist
* Seventh-Day Adventist
* Shaker
* Society of Friends
* Southern Baptist Convention
* Spiritist
* Syrian Orthodox
* True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
* Two-by-Twos
* Unification Church
* Unitarian-Universalism
* United Church of Canada
* United Church of Christ
* United Church of God
* United Free Church of Scotland
* United Methodist Church
* United Reformed Church
* Uniting Church in Australia
* Unity Church
* Unity Fellowship Church
* Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
* Virtual Churches
* Waldensian Church
* Way International, The
* Web Directories
* Wesleyan
* Wesleyan Methodist
* Worldwide Church of God
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No I think people in FYM are concerned with the discriminatory way in which some sins are targeted.
That's the case for some people, Dread, but I have encountered people who who think Jesus was just some nice guy that walked around telling everybody to "be who they are", and who didn't speak out against sin at all.
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If you are talking to a person about Christ, will you talk about sin in the "general sense" that I spoke of earlier, that all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, so that the person will see his/her need for a savior to redeem him/her from sin?
When asked, I do/will say the only way to be redeemed/saved/whatever is by accepting God's grace through Christ our Savior. Obviously, this includes accepting oneself as fallen, since no perfect person would need the grace of God.
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Here's a list that I found.
interesting

didnt know there were so many I didnt know..
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When asked, I do/will say the only way to be redeemed/saved/whatever is by accepting God's grace through Christ our Savior. Obviously, this includes accepting oneself as fallen, since no perfect person would need the grace of God.
So, do you actually mention sin, or do you just assume that they know they are sinners?
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interesting

didnt know there were so many I didnt know..
Me too. As a Christian, sometimes I'm embarassed by how many denominations and sects we have, like the only thing we can ever agree on is the existence of a god.
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No I think people in FYM are concerned with the discriminatory way in which some sins are targeted.
As sin, or as a worse sin than others?
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:17 AM   #59
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Me too. As a Christian, sometimes I'm embarassed by how many denominations and sects we have, like the only thing we can ever agree on is the existence of a god.
In my view, that's because religion is more cultural and social than it is about doctrine. Unsurprisingly, most religions follow the cultural mores of the area of the world that they were founded in.

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like the only thing we can ever agree on is the existence of a god.
Sometimes, that can be a stretch....
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