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Old 07-07-2005, 01:24 AM   #16
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After all, the practice is rare in Europe (I've been told) and you don't hear of women screaming with "ick."
I don't know about Europe, but I can tell you about New Zealand, and as New Zealand seems to always try to emulate the UK and be the "England of the South Seas" and follows its lead in everything from medicine to television (though in the last decade, I feel US influence has eased that, especially amongst young people), I'd say New Zealand's experience would be in line with the UK.

When my father was born in the mid-1950s, circumcision was a regular practice on male babies, and justified for health reasons. I would suppose that given your post, that's not really why it was introduced in the first place, but by the time of my father's birth, that was the reason given and believed. However, by the time I was born in 1987, they would only perform circumcision for religious reasons. I'm surprised to learn it remains a common practice in the US, as I grew up with the impression that it was unnecessary unless you had a religious reason to have it done.
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:34 AM   #17
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When I was a group home counselor one of the six year old boys in my house was no circumsized which is pretty rare here in the U.S. I guess it wasn't done since he had no insurance.

Anyways, I had to deal with the infection he got there. Since then I'm all for circumcision. This poor kid. That was painful not to mention gross

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Anyways, I had to deal with the infection he got there. Since then I'm all for circumcision. This poor kid. That was painful not to mention gross
That's due to lack of education. The poor kid wasn't taught proper hygiene.
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the move to circumcise boys in the US started after WW2, when GI's in the Pacific theater suffered from lots of urinary tract infections, which was much more likely in the uncircumcised than the circumcised. it's been common practice ever since, though is starting to fall out of vogue.

so long as a child is taught cleanliness, it should pose no problem.

from an aesthetic standpoint, i'll admit to prefering the look of an uncircumcised penis (which strikes me as looking a bit like a silkworm . however, it does seem to me that those extra inches of skin are invaluable when it comes to sexual function (and it makes me jealous).
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That's due to lack of education. The poor kid wasn't taught proper hygiene.

Exactly. A boy with an intact foreskin needs to be taught proper hygiene as soon as he learns to bathe himself. Its not difficult to pull it back and make sure its clean.
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i'm a woman and the thought of circumcising my children makes me sick....

this whole "myth" of uncleanliness is exactly what it is a myth. If a guy doesn't clean himself regardless of the fact whether its circumcised or not, its still a dirty skanky thing that no one would want to get within 50 feet of.

And that HIV ting is pure crap too. I just believe people come out with these things in a propanganda way to "scare" people into doing something that is not neccessary and basically body mutilation. I mean, how up in arms do people get about clitorial mutilation that happens in africa and india, which is basically the same thing (as i've been told a circumcised penis is a lot less sensitive then an uncut one)

btw, i've seen a few in my day, and really it ain't a pretty sight no matter whether its cut or not. luckily most of the time i'm not looking at it
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It's funny about ten years ago I had a boyfriend who was not circumcised (home birth you know) and it seemed strange, but I had already had arguments with a previous boyfriend about circumcising our possible children (he was all American for and I was against). However, my sister just had a baby boy and she and her husband did not circumcise him, and it looks like it's about 70% against in her circle of friends (who have all recently had children. People know a lot more about cleanliness these days and are less likely to do it, "just because that's what people do" Of course a big part of that is living in the Bay Area.
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I mean, how up in arms do people get about clitorial mutilation that happens in africa and india, which is basically the same thing (as i've been told a circumcised penis is a lot less sensitive then an uncut one)
I'm not sure how I feel about circumcision b/c to me there are pros and cons either way, but I DO feel it is nothing like FGM. FGM is usually done in unsanitary conditions using "tools" like shards of glass while the girl is held down. Also, removing the clitoris destroys ANY possibility of normal sexual function for a female. Besides the fact that the clitoris is destroyed, FGM leaves scars that can make sex even more painful. I think pretty much all guys I know were circumcized at birth and they all function sexually. So maybe an intact skin makes that are MORE sensitive, but that doesn't mean circumcized men can't have all kinds of pleasurable sex.
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So maybe an intact skin makes that are MORE sensitive, but that doesn't mean circumcized men can't have all kinds of pleasurable sex.
It depends. You're actually taking a risk. A minority of men have reported that their circumcision was done so poorly that the skin is pulled too tight, and, as such is painful. In more rare situation--but has happened--some circumcisions resulted in the entire head being cut off.

Plus, it's also pretty much said that once you get old, you'll lose all of your sensitivity, since the foreskin's design was to maintain sensitivity throughout one's life. As it stands, circumcised men stand to progressively degenerate in sexual function as they get older.

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Plus, it's also pretty much said that once you get old, you'll lose all of your sensitivity, since the foreskin's design was to maintain sensitivity throughout one's life. As it stands, circumcised men stand to progressively degenerate in sexual function as they get older.
Well, I'm not saying that's good, but you can't say it's comparable to a young girl being held down and sliced and diced.
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That's due to lack of education. The poor kid wasn't taught proper hygiene.
I agree with you he has had an unusually bad chidhood. I'm just saying that that experience left me with a preference you could say. Of course if men are saying it leaves them worse off I'm all for stopping the practice I can deal with a little foreskin
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btw, i've seen a few in my day, and really it ain't a pretty sight no matter whether its cut or not. luckily most of the time i'm not looking at it


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It depends. You're actually taking a risk. A minority of men have reported that their circumcision was done so poorly that the skin is pulled too tight, and, as such is painful. In more rare situation--but has happened--some circumcisions resulted in the entire head being cut off.

Plus, it's also pretty much said that once you get old, you'll lose all of your sensitivity, since the foreskin's design was to maintain sensitivity throughout one's life. As it stands, circumcised men stand to progressively degenerate in sexual function as they get older.

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Wow, didn't know there was so much controversy about circumcision!

I have to admit, I had my boy circumcised at birth for no other reason than the fact that I am circumcised, and I assume my father was, which is probably why I am... and we're not even Jewish...still gotta keep things clean down there, so that's no excuse either...
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Well, I'm not saying that's good, but you can't say it's comparable to a young girl being held down and sliced and diced.
I agree with you the two cannot be compared. Many of these women are left with just a tiny hole left to function. It's a form of torture and opression.
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