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Old 08-14-2005, 03:33 PM   #31
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Some of you guys and gals are on a witch hunt, and the targets are conservative Christians.

Nowhere in this article does it state that Christians or conservatives were involved in any of this.

"county officials this week ordered a small section near Malibu lopped off"

The ones who ordered the change were County Officials. Does it say "Conservative Christian County Officials"? No.

And the ones who noticed it in the first place? They were just "a handful of passers-by"; no political or religious affiliation is even mentioned.

"But earlier this week, before the exhibit's official opening, a handful of passers-by working at the fairgrounds suggested that the wooden map looked a little too male."

You cannot assume that these people are conservative Christians. You can't assume political/religious affiliation in any way just from teh facts delivered in the story. In fact, if you diod assume something, you'd have to assume that the majority of the "passers-by" were not conservatives but rather liberals, based strictly on the political breakdown percentage of California voters.
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80s,

CA has more Conservative Christians than most any other state.
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In fact, if you did assume something, you'd have to assume that the majority of the "passers-by" were not conservatives but rather liberals, based strictly on the political breakdown percentage of California voters.
so assume that.
remenber it was only " a handful of passers-by working at the fairgrounds suggested that the wooden map looked a little too male."


Would you also say that the "Intelligent Design" crowd are not the religiously -right if an article does not lable them that way?
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CA has more Conservative Christians than most any other state.
the religiously -right if an article does not lable them that way?
I would think so - there are more people living in California, period.

But are there more Conservative Christians in California or non-conservative non Christians?

If there's more non, then my assumption works a whole lot better than ya'lls does.

remenber it was only " a handful of passers-by working at the fairgrounds suggested that the wooden map looked a little too male."

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Would you also say that the "Intelligent Design" crowd are not the religiously -right if an article does not lable them that way?
No, of course not, because almost every intelligent designer is a Christian and all of them believe in God. However, there is no study or source that leads to the conclusion that conservative Christians "see sex" in more things than non conservative non Christians. In fact, I think it's the exact opposite.
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conservative Christians "see sex" in more things than non conservative non Christians. In fact, I think it's the exact opposite.
non conservative non Christians see sex in real naked bodies and real sexual images they are comfortable viewing

they do not need to worry about partial breast exposure (during nursing) in public

or Janet Jackson half-time nip-outs

or Bono's choice of adjectives

or what the outline of a map might suggest.
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Just to point out, this article has nothing at all to do with conservative Christianity (assuming that's what you were alluding to with the "pure of thought" reference). The decision to alter the geography was the government's, not some fundamentalist Christian group's.

Though, I know how much some of you would love to blame conservative Christianity for all of the ailments of modern society.


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Some of you guys and gals are on a witch hunt, and the targets are conservative Christians.

Nowhere in this article does it state that Christians or conservatives were involved in any of this.

"county officials this week ordered a small section near Malibu lopped off"

The ones who ordered the change were County Officials. Does it say "Conservative Christian County Officials"? No.

And the ones who noticed it in the first place? They were just "a handful of passers-by"; no political or religious affiliation is even mentioned.

"But earlier this week, before the exhibit's official opening, a handful of passers-by working at the fairgrounds suggested that the wooden map looked a little too male."

You cannot assume that these people are conservative Christians. You can't assume political/religious affiliation in any way just from teh facts delivered in the story. In fact, if you diod assume something, you'd have to assume that the majority of the "passers-by" were not conservatives but rather liberals, based strictly on the political breakdown percentage of California voters.


Some of these people need to get the idea through their heads that they can't blame everything on conservative Christianity. It really gets ridiculous sometimes.
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Some of these people need to get the idea through their heads that they can't blame everything on conservative Christianity. It really gets ridiculous sometimes.


as ridiculous as seeing a penis on a map of LA.

was it an assumption? aboslutely.

an unreasonable assumption? not by a long shot.

but many people on this list do strongly feel that much of what is wrong with the US right now, especially in the political system, can be traced directly to the Republican Party's debt to "conservative Christianity" -- a debatable term, Lord knows -- and their political responsibility to certain groups of people. you know, the people who see penises on maps of Malibu are more than likely the same people who think SpongeBob and TinkyWinky are gay.

and i still think the whole thing is funny, so i'm going to continue to laugh.
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You can bet your (insert body part here *) that the "handful" of passersby weren't liberals of any stripe -- christian, agnostic, atheist, or other religion. Whether or not they were Christians, they certainly were conservative, because no one else would really give a crap.

A bit off the immediate topic, but still kinda fits.... I've always thought that "moral crusader" is a great job for a pervert. You get to see/hear all the dirty movies, art exhibits, magazines, maps ( ), plays, music, etc., etc. -- and yet, because after you see/hear it you pronounce it unfit for all others, you get to keep your "pillar of the community" status. Pure genius!

* yes, that pun was intended
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Let me just point out that I did not directly accuse ANY particular group. I used the phrase "those supposedly "pure in thought" ', because - honestly - if it was just another run-of-the-mill lost soul who'd noticed the phallic similarity, do you really think they'd be complaining? More likely, they'd tell all their lost soul friends who'd in turn would be making a beeline down to the County Fair Penis to have their picture taken with it!!

I mean, what's next? A drape for the Washington Monument? Modesty screens for those vulgar desert cacti? Special zoning laws to prevent cucumber growers from planting too close to schools and churches?

This is a 3D map at a County Fair meant to remind Fair attendees of the topography of their area - not a live display over in the Animal Husbandry section of the dream within a dream that is Man/Goat Love.

THAT would certainly qualify as vulgar, immoral, and I'm pretty sure, sinful and I doubt you'd get much resistance if you shut that one down.
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Fair enough, everyone.

And yes, it's definitely funny.
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And it's too late to edit my prior statement, but please substitute
"State Fair" for every occurence of "County Fair".
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Did these said passers-by actually complain about the shape of the map? Or did they just make comments like "hey, you know what this map kind of looks like, heh heh heh" There is always the off chance that the city officials changed the map to keep people from snickering, making jokes, and distractin from the real function of the map.
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Maybe we should reshape lake Michigan and Florida to not entice anyone...
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Maybe we should reshape lake Michigan and Florida to not entice anyone...
What was that God guy thinking when he made those places?

God, the pornographer!
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What was that God guy thinking when he made those places?

God, the pornographer!
Well he did make sex in the first place...
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Well he did make sex in the first place...
He did? ...and to think all this time I believed Steve Kilbey when he said he invented sex.... Now all my illusions are shattered.


(obviously SK is a cocky little bastard. )
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