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Old 12-13-2006, 08:25 PM   #16
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people are using the word mutilation like its a dirty word. This is medical not horror.
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people are using the word mutilation like its a dirty word. This is medical not horror.
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Perhaps for parents who don't watch a circumcision (the majority don't; the minority that do wish they hadn't), the reality here -- the strapping, forcing, cutting, bleeding, stripping, slicing and creating of immeasurable pain -- is a little like the Bomb: something you'd rather not think about unless you absolutely, positively must.
Whatever you say.
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Perhaps for parents who don't watch a circumcision (the majority don't; the minority that do wish they hadn't), the reality here -- the strapping, forcing, cutting, bleeding, stripping, slicing and creating of immeasurable pain -- is a little like the Bomb: something you'd rather not think about unless you absolutely, positively must.
Dont watch it then , simple.
If people and doctors thought the procedure was inhuman it would be banned.

Me and my brother have been Circumcision and my mom and dad dont regret it.
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Dont watch it then , simple.
If people and doctors thought the procedure was inhuman it would be banned.
Right. Just like if tobacco could kill you, it would be banned, right?

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Me and my brother have been Circumcision and my mom and dad dont regret it.
I like your choice of words. "My mom and dad." And, yet, they have the right to perform a medically unnecessary procedure on a person who cannot consent (i.e., you and your brother).

In some isolated instances, circumcisions have been botched to the point that the entire glans ("head") has been removed, thus making sexual pleasure impossible. After all, an infant penis is extremely tiny.

I'm sure that your parents would regret it then--but it would be too late, by then. "Oops."

If adults wish to be circumcised, let them, just like they can get their tongue split into two if they're crazy. But leave the children out of it.
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How many people recall the pain of their circumcision as newborns?
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How many people recall the pain of their circumcision as newborns?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

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An article discussed the extent to which circumcision may cause emotional harm to males. Some organizations have been founded as support groups for circumcised men who are upset with their status. Several studies suggest that circumcised infants do not forget the pain during circumcision easily, as a correlation between circumcision with ineffective anaesthesia and intensity of pain response during vaccination months later has been noted.
The same kind of arguments in favor of male circumcision are the exact kind of arguments I'd expect from African tribes who fervently believe in female genital mutilation (FGM). That's what I find quite amusing.

There's no medical reason for it, as the official stance of the American Medical Association states, and the fact that an unnecessary mutilating procedure is performed on anyone without their consent (babies) is repugnant.

But, if anything, I'm reminded of why eliminating FGM in Africa will be difficult to impossible, because trying to get many Americans to stop circumcision (or, as it should be called, "MGM"), is pretty difficult to impossible. You can't underestimate the power of tradition!
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Dont relate Tobacco to this subject , you cant compare the both.

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like your choice of words. "My mom and dad." And, yet, they have the right to perform a medically unnecessary procedure on a person who cannot consent (i.e., you and your brother).
Doctors perform these procedures, not parents. Well here in the UK anyway.
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Old 12-13-2006, 08:56 PM   #23
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Dont relate Tobacco to this subject , you cant compare the both.
The comparison is apt, in that tradition frequently trumps reason.

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Doctors perform these procedures, not parents. Well here in the UK anyway.
I meant "doctors," as well. I cannot justify any unnecessary procedure on those who cannot consent. Period.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision


http://forum.interference.com/t170280.html
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Cute. FYM is not a research paper.

You might find this interesting too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm

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The British journal Nature examined a range of scientific entries on both works of reference and found few differences in accuracy.

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The reviewers were asked to check for errors, but were not told about the source of the information.

"Only eight serious errors, such as misinterpretations of important concepts, were detected in the pairs of articles reviewed, four from each encyclopedia," reported Nature.

"But reviewers also found many factual errors, omissions or misleading statements: 162 and 123 in Wikipedia and Britannica, respectively."
So there goes that argument.

I also happen to know someone who not only hates the fact that he was circumcised, but is working to have it restored. And, yes, as he can attest, merely covering the glans makes it more sensitive and pleasurable during sex. However, as circumcision destroys many nerve endings, there's many sensations that you cannot restore.
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There's no medical reason for it, as the official stance of the American Medical Association states, and the fact that an unnecessary mutilating procedure is performed on anyone without their consent (babies) is repugnant.

That's not an entirely accurate statement about the AMA:

2. The AMA supports the general principles of the 1999 Circumcision Policy Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which reads as follows: Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. If a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13585.html
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I bet you sure did when you were having it done.



Well, you are. Simple scientific fact. You've got nothing else to compare the feeling to (unless you had it done as an adult), so "desensitized" is a relative term.
I actually prefer it, chose it later in life, enjoy sex all the more for it as does my SO

Not one iota of guilt in having it done to my boys
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I actually prefer it, chose it later in life, enjoy sex all the more for it as does my SO
And that is your right as an adult. Enjoy.

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Not one iota of guilt in having it done to my boys
That is what I cannot accept from an ethical standpoint. You've taken away their ability to make a choice as to whether they'd want it or not. And once the decision has been made for you, there's really no going back.
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My friend's dad got this procedure done as an adult, and completely regrets it.
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Happily sitting here with Little Earnie experiencing 80%+ more sensitivity. Occasionaly.
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