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Old 11-26-2004, 07:53 AM   #1
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Christmas Music!

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...7448169690.xml

School's band to tune out Santa
Parents split on concert's tone


Don't expect the Columbia High School brass ensemble to belt out any jolly renditions of "Joy to World" at its holiday concert this year.

Nor will it play any songs about Santa Claus coming to town.

But there will be plenty of seasonal tunes, such as "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty the Snowman" -- songs devoid of any reference to religion, religious symbols or holidays.

A long-standing policy banning the singing of Christmas songs with religious references in the South Orange/Maplewood School District has come under scrutiny after the administration clarified the policy recently, saying that it also includes instrumental concerts.

This means the 40-member brass ensemble, which in years past has played Christmas carols with references to Santa Claus, Jesus, or other religious symbols, will not be played this ye


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My wife is a High School Choral Music teacher, and to this day her school has never done such a thing, and she is sooo greatful. She fears the day that this happens, because so much of the traditional, good literature has derived from the church, especially in choral music. Not just for Christmas mind you, but everything.

John Rutter for example, considered one of the best modern day choral composers, writes religious based music. He is the director of the choral program at Oxford. Likewise, most of classical music, yes, Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, etc.. has a religious base.

I'll be very sad, if my kids grow up without this kind of music training.

What about you guys?
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Without passing judgment on this decision right now, I'd just like to say that secular Christmas music sucks.

Except for "Do they know it's Christmas".

And Bono's hilarious caterwauling on "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)".
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Don't expect the Columbia High School brass ensemble to belt out any jolly renditions of "Joy to World" at its holiday concert this year.
i think most english teachers would have a conyption if they heard a rendition of 'joy to world'.

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Interesting.

For the last few years, the Christmas concert at our local elementary school did not include any reference to Jesus or Christian reference to Christmas, but it did include a couple of Hannakah songs, including songs with biblical references.

Separation of Christ and State......
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stories like this entertain me to some degree. it's CHRISTmas, isn't it? who decided that carols need to be censored? it's interesting how seemingly small issues like these get blasted into huge political statements, but people can't seem to mobilize for the real political crises--poverty, discrimination, education, health care...

perhaps the next politically correct fiasco will be the renaming of the massive commercial nightmare currently known as christmas.
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I never thought I'd see Christmas carols censored. This is not right!
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What if you were the Jewish parents of a Jewish student in a band playing songs about Jesus? What if your Jewish son had to play trumpet on "Joy to the World, the Lord has come" but there was no Dreidel song? And what about all the Muslim kids -- are you going to include songs for them? I'm assuming South Orange is not some small town with no one but Christians in it. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent who is not Christian but has to have their son or daughter play Christian music then make a decision on this.
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ok, i see what you're getting at, sharky, but i don't think anyone is *forcing* children of different religions to participate in christmas festivities. even in my tiny city back in the 80s, no one was forced to participate in christmas concerts if they didn't want to.

if there's a diverse community within the school, by all means, they should consider a multi-faith celebration that acknowledges and respects everyone's traditions.
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actually, I'm assuming this is a music class, the kids have two choices: play the music or get an F. Do we really want to be encouraging students to drop out of music classes if they don't want to participate in Christmas songs?
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I dunno - do you get some kind of committee together and determine what is 'appropriate literature' or not?

For example, Handel's Messiah - often referred to as a great Easter/Christmas choral work. Would we shut down the performance because of the subject matter?

http://w3.rz-berlin_mpg.de/cmp/handel.html

I don't like it.
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i've re-read the article and we're veering off course here (myself included, apologies for that. my bad.) no one's forcing anyone to play anything against their religion in this case. it's a school band performing a concert for *the season*, but they won't include any songs that make reference to 'santa claus, jesus, or other religious symbols' (is santa claus a religious symbol? ).
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What if you were the Jewish parents of a Jewish student in a band playing songs about Jesus? What if your Jewish son had to play trumpet on "Joy to the World, the Lord has come" but there was no Dreidel song? And what about all the Muslim kids -- are you going to include songs for them? I'm assuming South Orange is not some small town with no one but Christians in it. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent who is not Christian but has to have their son or daughter play Christian music then make a decision on this.
Why do we always go the extreme of having all possible aspects of culture represented if any one aspect of culture is represented?

If kids were attending school in another part of the world, I doubt they would hold back on their own cultural references in order to represent all possible others.

And you can mention the birth of Jesus without it turning into prosteltyzing.
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Winter Wonderland, say in.... Miami? What kind of seasonal songs would they sing in Miami?
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This is so stupid. CHRISTmas is a holiday celebrating the birth of Christ.
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And Hanakkuh is the holiday celebrating the Jews. what's your point?

NBC- yes, this wouldn't be an issue in most other countries but that's because most other countries have a state-sponsored religion. We don't, which makes this country what it is.
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