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Old 11-30-2004, 07:05 PM   #106
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Heaven forbid he'd ever say Jesus. Its probably more like Jaysus anyway.

seperation of Church and Bono my ***

hmmm ... bono is a big fan of god and jesus, but he doesn't seem to like church much. hasn't he said the only church he feels comfortable in is the Gilde Memorial church in San Francisco precisely because of its inclusivity?
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paxetaurora,

Please forgive my 'my a**' taglines. For some reason, it feels right in FYM.

If it is really offending anyone, I'll stop.
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I know he's not a fan of church. It was a play on the phrase guy.
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Nah, I think we're okay with it so far.
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A tribute to the Masons? Talk about weird religious symbolism.

An the problem with Pachalbel, is that even though the canon might not have words, it still had religious inspirations, written for the church. Is it cool if the music was christian inspired by as long as it doesn't have words? Would that offend the Hindu children?

no, probably not. there is a difference between the religiously inspired and the explicitly worshipful. there's a difference between "silent night" and "jingle bells."

and it's not about being offended, it's about being pushed, again, to the outside. when you grow up as different -- and, believe me, i did in my own way -- you are acutely aware of just how you are different from the majority. i think it would behoove any teacher not to exacerbate these differences.
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Ok, let's see. We'll have to cut out music from 1400-1800. Sounds good eh?
You are still under the misguided notion that all music from 1400 and 1800 is religious...plus how many elementary school students are being taught these songs?
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If they're choir nerds, believe me, they're learning them...
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You are still under the misguided notion that all music from 1400 and 1800 is religious
uhhh what? Classical music, yes, to the great degree.
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and there's another distinction. i am under the impression that most choir nerds are participating in an extracurricular activity. that involves choice, which is different from all students who have to be part of the school play.

in my elementary school, we had music once a week. in november and december we'd do christmas and some hannukah songs as a class, and then the week before xmas break we'd have the holiday concert where partcipation was mandatory. to sing "christ the savior is born" in that context isn't appropriate. however, if you're singing in an after school choir -- that might still sing in a holiday concert, but participation isn't mandatory -- that is a different story altogether.
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Wow I went to public school for 12 years of my life and don't remember any of my choir moments, music classes, or school plays having me sing anything religious in nature. And I turned out to be a fine, still a believer.
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my music teacher was jewish, too. we'd sing songs about holidays, trees, dreidles, etc. but not "oh come all ye faithful."

this was in the 80s.
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Elective yes, but they still get grades for this activity.

Jehova's Witnesses don't participate in any christmas activity either. They slashed birthdays too. So, when the kids bring cupcakes to class for their birthdays, they are not allowed to eat the cupcake.

Captain Cupcake my ass!
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Wow I went to public school for 12 years of my life and don't remember any of my choir moments, music classes, or school plays having me sing anything religious in nature. And I turned out to be a fine, still a believer.
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I'm not debating that you turned out great! I'm sure you did. We should have a cup of coffee and a cupcake sometime.

But apparently you guys didn't sing any classical choral works?
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uhhh what? Classical music, yes, to the great degree.
You've got to be kidding me, the majority of classical music never initially had lyrics. Look you are trying to stretch the argument. Yes a lot of music from this time period may have been inspired or started in the church, but it's exclusive.
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The majority of classical music may not have had lyrics, but anything you *could* sing probably had religious lyrics.
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