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Old 12-02-2004, 07:15 AM   #136
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Well good that should be settled.
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Old 12-02-2004, 07:16 AM   #137
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and, hence, we have separation of church and state. we keep the endorsement of jesus out of public schools and do things like moments of silence instead of teacher-led prayers.
I thought you were checked out.

You're right, Irvine, but I think taking religiously inspired instrumental music out of school is stepping over this line. Just as some Christians are provoking other groups by trying to force their agenda (i.e. burning gay books), this school ruling is provoking Christians by stepping over a reasonable understanding of a state endorsement of religion.

All I'm saying is, if you don't want to fight the monster, don't create one.
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I thought you were checked out.

You're right, Irvine, but I think taking religiously inspired instrumental music out of school is stepping over this line. Just as some Christians are provoking other groups by trying to force their agenda (i.e. burning gay books), this school ruling is provoking Christians by stepping over a reasonable understanding of a state endorsement of religion.

All I'm saying is, if you don't want to fight the monster, don't create one.
Has anyone said they are taking any kind of instumental music out of school?

I don't understand the need of conservative Christians to have their religion advertised or taking place everywhere they go. Are you scared the few hours your child is at school and there are no carols or ten commandments posted that your child will forget? What is the need? There are other religions in this country face that fact. These religions may not have a problem with gay marriage, they may not celebrate Christmas, and they may not want to be reminded that they are standing under the rule of a Christian judge when they are Muslim. Why is this so hard for people to grasp? You are not going to lose your indentity, you are not going to lose your religion. In fact your faith will be a lot stronger than it is now if it wasn't so commercialized and forced upon the public.

Somedays I wish we could go back to the days when the bracelets didn't exist, people didn't need a plastic fish on their car to advertise their faith, and people knew who you were because it shined through your inner core. Maybe we should go back to the days of drawing an arch in the sand, at least then people knew it was real, it wasn't about advertising and forcing your views.
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Old 12-02-2004, 07:38 AM   #139
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Has anyone said they are taking any kind of instumental music out of school?
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A long-standing policy banning the singing of Christmas songs with religious references in the South Orange/Maplewood School District has come under scrutiny after the administration clarified the policy recently, saying that it also includes instrumental concerts.
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Maybe we should go back to the days of drawing an arch in the sand, at least then people knew it was real, it wasn't about advertising and forcing your views.
Please tell me this is a joke. The early Christians had to write the fish in the sand for fear that they would be killed. Now THAT statement is truly offensive. Instrumental music is not.
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Anyone wishing to entirely separate all aspects of Governement and public life from religion of any kind, feel free to donate all of your US dollar bills to any AIDS charity.

Or, don't be so hypocritical, taking a stand on separation of Church and State is great unless it impacts you financially ?
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Anyone wishing to entirely separate all aspects of Governement and public life from religion of any kind, feel free to donate all of your US dollar bills to any AIDS charity.

Or, don't be so hypocritical, taking a stand on separation of Church and State is great unless it impacts you financially ?
I'm sorry, but I'm missing your point completely.
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I'm sorry, but I'm missing your point completely.
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and, hence, we have separation of church and state. we keep the endorsement of jesus out of public schools and do things like moments of silence instead of teacher-led prayers.
I don't believe schools are allowed to conduct moments of silence either.

Someone might think about Jesus
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Somedays I wish we could go back to the days when the bracelets didn't exist, people didn't need a plastic fish on their car to advertise their faith, and people knew who you were because it shined through your inner core. Maybe we should go back to the days of drawing an arch in the sand, at least then people knew it was real, it wasn't about advertising and forcing your views.
Bracelets and plastic fish merely replaced crosses, crucifixes and carrying one's bible. There have always been external (material) evidences of the inner change.
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Somedays I wish we could go back to the days when the bracelets didn't exist, people didn't need a plastic fish on their car to advertise their faith, and people knew who you were because it shined through your inner core. Maybe we should go back to the days of drawing an arch in the sand, at least then people knew it was real, it wasn't about advertising and forcing your views.
My problem with this is that it's another "Golden Age" concept. I don't believe any Golden Ages existed. When they drew arches in the sand, they could get killed for being Christians. That's hardly a Golden Age. There wasn't one. There's always been crud going on, inside the church, outside of it, because it's always been based on imperfect human beings.
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I don't believe schools are allowed to conduct moments of silence either.

Someone might think about Jesus

hmmmmmmmm ... i remember moments of silence through junior high, which ended for me in 1992. i dunno if they're still there or not.

i hear your joke, but i think the moment of silence was designed for those who want to think about Jesus.


yes, i know i said i was checked out, but the blue crack does strange things to me ...
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Honestly sometimes during the moment of silence, I used to think about the boys in school that I liked
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God is different from Jesus.

God is highly universal; Jesus is the heart of Christianity.

Separation of Church and State is why you don't see "Praise Jesus" on our dollar bills.

belief in God, however, *is* important to the establishment of this country (just go to the eerily beautiful Jefferson Memorial in DC and you'll see what I mean). it was the idea of all men being created equally that allowed us to move away from a system of landed gentry and aristocrats and plant seeds of democracy. (forgive my simplistic sentences, but that's the gist of it).

however, contingent upon that, since we are all created equal by God -- meaning Jews, Muslims, Chrstians, and Hindus -- we cannot force our specific interpretations and beliefs about God upon others. we universally acknoweldge his existence as a nation, but embedded within that is the right to not acknowledge (our fellow atheist Americans ... God created them, too, didn't he?) or to acknowledge in an entirely different way. so long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
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