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Old 04-12-2006, 12:25 PM   #1
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christians sue for right not to tolerate

[q]Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies
Many codes intended to protect gays from harassment are illegal, conservatives argue.
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
April 10, 2006


ATLANTA — Ruth Malhotra went to court last month for the right to be intolerant.

Malhotra says her Christian faith compels her to speak out against homosexuality. But the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she's a senior, bans speech that puts down others because of their sexual orientation.

Malhotra sees that as an unacceptable infringement on her right to religious expression. So she's demanding that Georgia Tech revoke its tolerance policy.

With her lawsuit, the 22-year-old student joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians from harassment. The religious right aims to overturn a broad range of common tolerance programs: diversity training that promotes acceptance of gays and lesbians, speech codes that ban harsh words against homosexuality, anti-discrimination policies that require college clubs to open their membership to all.

The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,6596503.story

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do we have a right to hate? can we sue to protect this perceived right?
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I don't think we have a right to harrass gays either verbally or physically. Gays are getting killed due to all the homophobia that's going on now. It's scary. I don't like this stuff. To me it's just an excuse for homophobia.
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It's frightening that she is so indoctrinated at only 22.
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Man, last week Rob Cordry did a funny bit on the Daily Show about the intolerance experienced by racists in America, and, like, how unfair that is.

Sounds like Ruth Malhotra didn't get the joke.

A right to hate, citing "freedom of expression" laws, can soon turn into a right to oppress, which, most everyone would think, is not a modern, enlightened way to run a democratic country.

If true Christianity isn't about universal tolerance (God, i can't stand that word...acceptance, inclusion, etc., are much better), I don't know what is. As verte says, revoking the tolerance policies would ultimately create more hate, not just toward the "sin," but also the "sinners."
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when does the free exercise of religion become harassment of others?

is the free exercise of religion more important than protecting people from harassment in places such as a school, university, or workplace?
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It's frightening that she is so indoctrinated at only 22.

that's nothing, i know people that are in high school that think/talk like that.
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The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."
Oh, give me a fucking break.

I'm not usually one who comments on these types of articles in here, but it really is remarkable how ass-backwards some people's worldviews can be sometimes.

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The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."
Boy, is that rich. The denied "right" of false Christians to harrass homosexuals is just like the institutionalized injustice encountered daily by Southern black Americans in the '50 and '60s.

Unbelieveable...
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Can we regulate people's protected religious beliefs?

Is this a slippery slope?



Particularly, if k-y products are involved?

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>when does the free exercise of religion become harassment of others?

I guess when the religious freedom ultimately can lead to a power structure (democratic or not) where a majority of the people who benefit from that religious freedom use it to harrass the people in the minority...say, something like the Inquisition or, more recently, Talibanic Afghanistan, or, Iran.

>is the free exercise of religion more important than protecting people from harassment in places such as a school, university, or workplace?

Guess it all depends upon the definition, within a country's laws, of what is meant by "free exercise." I don't think you could have religions who may want to do human sacrifices practicing freely. That would impinge upon certain laws and certain people's rights to not be sacrificed.

If there's a religion that preaches hate to people who should have equal rights, and if a country's laws' main priority is for the greater good of society, then i can't say that religion's right to free exercise trumps the right to not be oppressed.

[Oh, and it's nice for Irvin to ask the questions to encourage a discussion, although we all know where he would stand on this.]
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why homosexuals?

why are gay people so much worse than everyone else?
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why homosexuals?

why are gay people so much worse than everyone else?
Yeah, you'd think they were murderers or something. People like this make it embarrassing to be a Christian.
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why homosexuals?

why are gay people so much worse than everyone else?
It's getting hard for the hate mongerers to get away hating people openly.

Can't hate the blacks. It's not the '60s (or earlier) anymore.

Can't hate women anymore...damn equal rights movement.

Can't hate the minorities...too politically incorrect.

Good thing we still have the fags and dykes.

Oh, and the fuckin' Moslems.

[Guess what i'm saying is there will always be a portion of the population that hates...hopefully that portion is getting smaller and smaller, as societies become more enlightened; homosexuals, i believe, are the last "psychological" barrier for mainstream society...it's changing; i don't think it'll be that much longer...10 years? 20?...before these institutionalized barriers against homosexuals seems like a relic of the past. Well, i'm more hopeful being in Canada...not sure about the U.S.]
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If there's a religion that preaches hate to people who should have equal rights, and if a country's laws' main priority is for the greater good of society, then i can't say that religion's right to free exercise trumps the right to not be oppressed.


The majority does not agree these people should have equal (special) rights.
Adultery may be legal.
Moral, G-d fearing religious people have a right to condemn it.
Other behavior, (sin) should not be protected in laws that take away a person's right of conscious to speak out against it. *






* Troglodyte argument - no. 1.0003


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why homosexuals?

why are gay people so much worse than everyone else?
The Old Testament says that homosexuality is an abomination. Many Christians, therefore, view it as wrong. Sinful. Evil even.

I can't really say whether it's a sin or not. In the same part of the Bible, we're told that eating pork and shellfish are also abominations.

Jesus Christ never mentions homosexuality. Not even once. So how important could it have been to Christ? Yet all this talk of poverty, disease, greed....judgement.

Personally, I think God's testing us. And religious conservatives are failing. In fact, I would say not only are they getting it wrong, but they're the very people the Bible warns us about.
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