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Old 12-21-2005, 07:49 PM   #16
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I think this is one of the faults of capitalism, yeah, people say everyone should just work hard and you can achieve anything, bullshit. Not everyone can be a millionaire regardless of how hard they work. Who would work at restaurants, retail stores, gardening, parking valets, housekeepers, hotel attendants, garbagemen, taxi drivers, transit workers, emergency workers, etc. Society wouldn't exist without contributions of people along the entire wage scale. The problem is that the people at the top make a ridiculously out of proportion higher wage than everyone else. So when the people at the bottom need assistance, the haves say work harder to get it. It is an unsustainable system unless there are checks and balances to assist the majority of people who aren't making 6 figures a year but service those who are.


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Of course there is a poverty gap, and with globalization, shrinking middle class, the alarming numbers withough healthcare...we obviously need to be paying attention to this, and that's true for the Western world as a whole I think. What I'm wondering is whether the poverty gaps in the US are so much greater, if at all, than in Canada, Europe, Australia, etc. Look at the riots in France...they obviously have issues to address, as do we in the US. I just don't see it as an issue limited to the US (or the Bush administration).
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I agree VertigoGal, but those other countries aren't running around the globe telling others what to do or how to behave which causes some resentment amongst other nations.
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it's true.

the "who the fuck are you!?!?!?" instinct is alive and well.
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For along time the only thing the US saw in CA was drugs. So they burned the drug fields. No more coca for Boliva and others. That amounted to no more money imput for Bolivia and others.

Then a few years ago, when the world got big and scary, and we needed friends, we once agian turned a light on CA.

THis time we want a free market. We want investment oppertunities. (A US company used to own all public supplies and services in Bolivia-water, insurance, even the mail industry.

Obviously this did not go over well.

However I would say that Mr. Morales did not win so much on an anti-america platform as he did on a pro-coca and home industry platform.

He will not be another chavez. Bolivia does not want that. They are dependant and probably alittle afriad. And the poor farmers get a shine in their eyes when free trade comes up (although they dont know too much about our subsidies).

They hate the world bank and the IMF much more then they would ever hate us.
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For along time the only thing the US saw in CA was drugs. So they burned the drug fields. No more coca for Boliva and others. That amounted to no more money imput for Bolivia and others.

Then a few years ago, when the world got big and scary, and we needed friends, we once agian turned a light on CA.

THis time we want a free market. We want investment oppertunities. (A US company used to own all public supplies and services in Bolivia-water, insurance, even the mail industry.

Obviously this did not go over well.

However I would say that Mr. Morales did not win so much on an anti-america platform as he did on a pro-coca and home industry platform.

He will not be another chavez. Bolivia does not want that. They are dependant and probably alittle afriad. And the poor farmers get a shine in their eyes when free trade comes up (although they dont know too much about our subsidies).

They hate the world bank and the IMF much more then they would ever hate us.


probably a very fair assessment of the situation.

the anti-Americanism, though, was still a large part of his platform. while it's certainly not the sole reason he was elected, the US government would do well to examine the impact it's perception is making on the electorates of the world.
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I agree VertigoGal, but those other countries aren't running around the globe telling others what to do or how to behave which causes some resentment amongst other nations.
Yes of course.

But I stubbornly continue to feel that a lot anti-American sentiment is often hypocritical & unfair...but we had a thread on that already didn't we.

Anyway...as far as Bolivia goes, maybe I'm being an optimist but I'd like to think that the US & Bolivian governments could still have a cooperative and beneficial relationship even if both would like to demonize the other at the moment.
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