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Old 03-07-2005, 05:09 PM   #16
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Didn't Jesus chase the moneychasers out of the temple?

Somehow I don't think Christ was at peace with people making a profit from the Word of God.
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Didn't Jesus chase the moneychasers out of the temple?

Somehow I don't think Christ was at peace with people making a profit from the Word of God.


According to the article you posted, the ticket revenue would not offset the cost of the event = no profit.




Also, the Church has collected money from day 1.
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Old 03-07-2005, 05:43 PM   #18
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Doesn't matter what the Church does, nb, I only CARE ABOUT WHAT JESUS WANTS.

Maybe that is where people get confused - thinking the Church is the personification of Christ, when it is not.

It has become a self-serving entity of its own - with very little resemblence to what Jesus taught.

Corporate Religion $$$$$
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The Church is the body of believers.

Maybe you have had bad experiences in churches in your area.

I have found caring, loving people who want to glorify God through their worship and service.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsa...ws-fals04.html

I have many comments, but it would be interesting to hear what others have to say.

This article simply substantiates for me what I have been saying about the vultures and false prophets parading around as "men of God" today.
then you must only see what you want in the articles...

[Q]Not at all, according to Don Iloff, a spokesman for Lakewood Church.

"It's not a moneymaker for us," Iloff told me Thursday. "It costs $750,000 to put on the event. Do the math. Even at $10 apiece it doesn't begin to cover it."

Osteen didn't want to have tickets at all, and certainly didn't want to charge for them, but after several non-ticketed events at arenas in Atlanta and California last year where thousands of people were turned away at the door, local law enforcement got nervous with the disappointed crowds, and the pastor had little choice, Iloff explained.

The first ticketed stop on Osteen's "Worship Tour," basically a traditional two-hour worship and sermon service, was at New York City's Madison Square Garden last fall. "They called us at Madison Square Garden and said, 'You must ticket this event. It will be mayhem if you don't," Iloff said.

Well, why not free tickets?

"We really hated the idea of charging," he said. "We only charged at the Garden because they asked us to."[/Q]
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Where is the profit at? I fail to see it anywhere in the article.

On a side note Jamila, do you believe it is wrong for preachers to make any money at all?
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It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that it's wrong to make a living, as far as I'm aware. Preachers have a right to make a living same as anyone else!
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Jamila:

What exactly did Joel Osteen do that was wrong? He seems to be opposed to the scalping of tickets, and apparently didn't want to charge for them in the first place but had to due to venue issues with a non-ticketed event. How is he a false prophet?

Perhaps I missed something in the text?

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We Catholics wouldn't have our sacraments without the Church. There are "bad apples" in the Church, to be sure, but we can't practice our religions without the sacraments, which means we can't practice it without the Church. Plus being in a community of believers has its rewards, which I wouldn't trade for anything.
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I'll chime in with the others and say he doesn't exactly seem to be making a huge profit with this. If the venues are requiring him to sell tickets there's nothing he can do about this. Plus, a guy's got to make a living. People are willing to pay $10 to hear him. If it were some huge fee and he was making a pile of dough from this, I'd object to this, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
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There is a stereotype perpetuated about television evangelists that all they do is ask for money.

A recent study concluded that televangelists ask for money about 17% of the time during their show.

Compare that with regular television, which has a 28% commercial rate.
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There is a stereotype perpetuated about television evangelists that all they do is ask for money.

A recent study concluded that televangelists ask for money about 17% of the time during their show.

Compare that with regular television, which has a 28% commercial rate.
I don't think it matters how often they ask for it, it matters where it's going.
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I don't think it matters how often they ask for it, it matters where it's going.
I agree 100%.
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Luther-era indulgences have evolved into televangelism. I'm not into televangelism at all, but what annoys me is the way they market their products. "Buy this, it will get you closer to God." Now we have scalping over the message.
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Well, it certainly didn't help that it was revealed that the Bakkers were paying for an air-conditioner for a doghouse with funds raised from their followers. That was a blatant rip-off and fraud that landed him in jail. Jimmy Swaggart was spending money raised from his followers on pricey mansions for his in-laws and his wife was shopping at Saks Fifth Avenue. Naturally people are a bit suspicious about preachers and money. But Orsteen mainly seems to be paying off the costs of the trip, which is cool. There's a heck of alot of difference between paying costs and lying to the public about what you're doing with the money they send you.
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