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Old 07-03-2004, 09:21 AM   #16
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It happened before I was born too (well, 3 or 4 months!) but it bothers me that this gets forgotten and written off as 'the past' when it was such a terrible thing that would have ruined anyone else, even some politicians. Even that Condit guy had to give up his political career when it was suspected he was involved in the death of his mistress, even though, unlike Ted, there is no evidence linking them at the time of her death! I still think some people let this go because they like the way he votes in congress and would be very hard on someone whose beliefs they did not agree with.
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Old 07-03-2004, 09:24 AM   #17
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To equate Teddy Kennedy with OJ is just plain wrong!

Ok...Ted wants to kill her. They both get drunk. SHE is this one driving ove the bridge. Did Ted use mind control to make her drive off the bridge?
In no way do I believe this was some pre-planned murder.
I don't believe he preplanned it either, but I do believe he let her die and hoped she would, to get her out of the way. I also believe it's possible Bobby or even JFK had something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death too. The reason he is like OJ is that he got away with something nobody esle could have because of his money, name and fame. They are both killers IMO.
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Old 07-03-2004, 09:27 AM   #18
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Well actually I never equated Bush with this act but rather equated him with the privelaged who get off scott free. No one is excused of anything. The Kennedys aren't beloved to me. But...you are one of the most partisan people in this forum yet you accuse everyone else of being so. So I pretty much threw the Bush thing out there to see if you would bite and you did.
Well how nice of you! I don't consider myself 'partisan' and don't even belong to any party. I see the 'accuse everyone else of being that way' thing to be much more frequently used by the anti-Bush people than the others (what, the 3 guys here who don't hate him vs. a couple dozen bashers?) and you just did it again! That's the main thing I hate about these debates, everyone does it yet everyone claims it's only the other side that does it!
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nicely said U2Kitten!

Thanks

It means a lot to see there are a couple people out there who don't criticize me more than Ted Kennedy!
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Old 07-03-2004, 10:10 AM   #20
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If Bush had done this, the thread would have had 188 responses by now. Nobody wants to think ill of their beloved Kennedys so most of you selectively ignore this.
Oh please, so now we have to justify which threads we respond to?

I will tell you why I "ignored" this and your assumptions are 100% completely incorrect. First, it was a long time before my time (I was born in 1979). Second, I spent half my life living overseas and never even heard of this. And third, a couple of years ago when I did hear of it, it was only in passing and I know nothing about it. I am not an American, would not wish to be an American, do not live in America and don't give half a runny shit about the Kennedys. I know pretty much nothing about them apart from the fact one of them was a president, a little about his actions, especially re: Cuba, a little about his brother, obviously a little about his son, that one guy who mauled the girl with a golf club and that is it. I would have difficulty picking out Ted Kennedy out of a police lineup, for godssake, and it's a good example of Amerocentricism that you should assume we are all Kennedy lovers when most of us on this planet know little about them and care even less.

Sorry, but that's the truth and if people are going to make assumptions about why other people do or do not respond to certain threads, then they should read exactly why that is the case.
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To equate Ted Kennedy walking away from an accident that he didn't cause, whether he secretly wanted her dead or just didn't want the scandal derailing his career (and none of us will ever know his mind), to OJ is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS.

OJ premeditely and in cold blood stabbed with his own hands, two people multiple times to cause their deaths. Quite a different scene altogether.

Moreover I'm not a Kennedy fan though I like the way he votes in the Senate and think he should have been charged with leaving the scene. Back then he probably would have received only probation.
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Surely anyone with enough rational judgement to be put in a position of making laws for this country should have known that an attempt at a cover-up is the worst kind of scandal, and if he reported it and stood up like a man he would have been much more honorable. Cover-ups and trying to run and hide never work and only make you look guilty. What about OJ's Bronco chase? What about that lady who hit the guy and freaked out and got scared and didn't know what to do so she just hid the car in the garage, guy and all? If she had reported it right away, she might have gotten sued, or a year or two, now they gave her 50 years! If only she'd been a Kennedy it would all be okay.
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Do any of your remember the William Kennedy Smith trial? Or what about Michael Skakel (part of the Kennedy clan)? Smith was found not guilty, but Skakel is sitting in prison, after being found guilty of murdering Martha Moxley back in the 1970s.

There's this thing called "evidence" whose burden is on the prosecution; hence "innocent until proven guilty." When someone is found "not guilty," it doesn't mean, from a legal POV, that they are innocent of the crime. It just means that there was enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't prove guilt. Hence, this is why some people are found not guilty in a criminal trial and guilty in a civil trial, where the burden of proving guilt is far less in a civil trial.

Trying to compare this to OJ is like comparing apples to oranges. I'm sure it was never pursued criminally, because the circumstances are incredibly odd. The fact that they were both drunk and she was driving would make it very difficult to prove that he was responsible for her death.

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It's not difficult to think or prove someone is responsible for a death when they leave them to die in a submerged car and make no effort to get help until 8 hours later when the person is surely long dead. Though OJ's crime was more cold blooded, there is really more evidence on Ted than there is on OJ because OJ was never officially placed at the scene of the crime.
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That's the main thing I hate about these debates, everyone does it yet everyone claims it's only the other side that does it!
Irony at it's best.
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I don't believe he preplanned it either, but I do believe he let her die and hoped she would, to get her out of the way. I also believe it's possible Bobby or even JFK had something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death too. The reason he is like OJ is that he got away with something nobody esle could have because of his money, name and fame. They are both killers IMO.
I didn't answer this thread initially because I can't defend him for not going directly to the police. It was foolish of him. The belief that he let her die and hoped she would die is your opinion. My opinion is that it was a tragic accident.

I think he has a great track record for successfully fighting for the issues that I believe in. I agree with Melon:

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I also have great faith in Bono and his fight for justice in this world. Kennedy must have been helpful to him in someway for Bono to accept the invitation to be at the tribute. That's a good thing for Kennedy to be doing.
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I didn't answer this thread initially because I can't defend him for not going directly to the police. It was foolish of him. The belief that he let her die and hoped she would die is your opinion. My opinion is that it was a tragic accident.
My thoughts too, and I am not a supporter of the Kennedy's in the political forum although subjectively I will say Ted Kennedy had done some very good things in his career. And I respect what people like Bobby and Eunice etc for Special Olympics etc..
As for Ted no doubt he should have gone to the police , I don't know what he did try and did not try to do to save her as I was not there to witness, I only know the facts as presented. It was along time ago and I am sure Ted Kennedy being a man has had to go through his own torment for this not to negate the death of the women because it is horrible, and in the end me not being a judge yes I too think he will have to answer to God for what he did or did not do..

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I also believe it's possible Bobby or even JFK had something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death too
while we are at it lets go down the Kennedy legacy list of what people hold them responsible for.. the other theory of fame and money then the view it gets you off , is that people are always quick to judge and come up with conspiracy theories as they long have for the Kennedys.

We are all fine to express our opinions but there are alot of people out there who feel the Kennedy family and Ted Kennedy is deserving of this award for his service and career otherwise he would not be getting it.....
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I don't believe he preplanned it either, but I do believe he let her die and hoped she would, to get her out of the way. I also believe it's possible Bobby or even JFK had something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death too. The reason he is like OJ is that he got away with something nobody esle could have because of his money, name and fame. They are both killers IMO.
What happened after the car went off
went off the bridge is a mystery. All we
have are Ted's version of events.
I agree Ted's last name and money got him out of this. Ok, I see the OJ factor now. I remember Ted's press
conference after this. He had arm in
a sling or something. I didn't buy his
story back then or now.

Marilyn was a troubled person, and did
suffer from depression. Seems it was a
phone call that may have triggered her
suicide. I'm pretty sure a "clean-up squad" entered her room and removed
embarrasing evidence, which may have
linked her to the Kennedy's. ( imo)
It's still very odd though.
By all accounts, Marilyn wasn't unhappy
or depressed at the time of her death though.
Then again. maybe Marilyn hid her depression from others.
Sad tragic tale.
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