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Old 01-14-2004, 06:33 PM   #1
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Censorship.

Is censorship ever acceptable?

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But now a book sold in the Grand Canyon park official bookshop suggests that it was created by the flood reported in Genesis.

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The claim has prompted the American Geological Institute and seven scientific bodies to flood the National Park Service with complaints calling for the book to be removed from the shop.

Full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...119131,00.html
So, should the bookstore be forbidden to sell this book? Does selling it promote creationism? Or is it not the responsibility of a government agency to decide what people should have the right to read? Is that censorship?

I've been somewhat intrigued by this story, especially after reading an article in the Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=480301) which comes fairly close to supporting those who want the book banned. I don't think I've ever seen this paper support censorship before, so it seems rather hypocritical of it to change its position simply because it disagrees with the subject matter of the book.

Personally I think it makes no difference whether a person has any sympathy with the beliefs of the authors of this book, either you believe censorship is okay or you believe it's wrong. Even if you passionately disagree with the content of this book (which I'm sure most of us FYMers do) that's not a reason to ban the book. People should be able to read it and make up their own minds about the validity of it. I also think it's ridiculous to suggest that by selling this book the shop is endorsing creationism - is my local bookstore endorsing Christianity by selling Bibles? Does my library endorse the Conservative Party by providing a biography of Margaret Thatcher?

I just can't understand the hypocrisy of people who would normally be passionately anti-censorship to suddenly go soft on the issue just because they don't like the book that's being censored.

If anyone wants an alternative view of the subject you can read: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0106gc.asp

Thank-you for reading the above rant.
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Old 01-14-2004, 07:03 PM   #2
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I agree. If the views a certain book posesses offends me, then I do not read it. Why is that such a hard concept for some people out there to grasp? If you don't like it, don't buy/read/listen to/watch it. I don't agree with the idea of creation, therefore, I wouldn't read the book (or maybe I would, just to see if they might have a new spin on it that I might not have thought of before-it IS good to hear opposing views, after all...). But someone who does believe in the creation theory has every right to read it.

The author of that book has as much right to write about creationism as a person does to write about evolution (so, going by those people's logic, I guess all scientific articles regarding evolution should be banned, since they're supposedly promoting evolution).

We all have minds of our own in this country. Let's use them.

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Of course they should sell this book. If I don't want to read it, I don't have to. I mean, hell, don't get me going on Scientology. I don't like anything about it. But we have Hubbard's "Dianetics" at our library. I don't care that it's in there. I don't have to read the thing. You're right, Angela, let's just use our minds!!
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I agree with everyone else. Banning one book is not going to make the issue of creation vs. evolution go away, and is likely to cause more debate about the topic anyway. Does this bookstore also sell books which support evolution? Does anyone complain about that? I think everyone has the right to read what they want, and if they don't like it they don't have to read it.

I think censorship in someinstances is acceptable, for example having ratings on films. Obviously it's best for children not to be exposed to overly explicit sex or violence, and fair enough that they are restricted from seeing it. But something that is not necessarily damaging to society - and creation vs. evolution is in the public arena anyway - shouldn't be hidden away just because the majority mightn't agree with it.
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I agree. If the views a certain book posesses offends me, then I do not read it.
Agreed. Let capitalism sort it out. If the book doesn't sell, it will disappear.
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Agreed. Let capitalism sort it out. If the book doesn't sell, it will disappear.
I like that.



My opinion: no book should be banned.
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I like that.
So do I. .

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My opinion: no book should be banned.
Agreed.

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I think there are several reasons why a book should be banned.
Just because the writer of the book has a different opinion is definetly NO reason.
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I think there are several reasons why a book should be banned.
Like what?
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Just for the sake of understanding, klaus. I personally have problems with child pornography, but I don't read or look for it. But where does it end and who decide's what goes or stays? It's almost as if, when you open the door then someone has the right to tell me what other areas I should or shouldn't be looking into. While I still have a mind of my own I refuse to have someone dictate what I can read, write or listen too. With that said, I hate having it shoved in my face everyday when I log on at work - the number of ways I can enlarge it. So I just delete it.
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Just for the sake of understanding, klaus. I personally have problems with child pornography, but I don't read or look for it.
But you can't categorize child pornography as free speech. Child pornography is something of non consent and something that's very harmful. I don't think we have an apples to apples comparison here.
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Adult porn as a comparison, then. .

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BVS: i was thinking of publicatons that harm other people or harmed other people for creating the publications.
So Child Pornography, or when the aouthor is just trying to seed violence against groups or persons etc. was on my mind when i wrote that
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Adult porn as a comparison, then. .

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You think we should ban it?
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You think we should ban it?
No, I don't. I meant that instead of using child porn as an example, which most people frown upon anyway, we could've used adult porn as an example, because while some people may personally not like it, it shouldn't be banned, because some people do look at it, and it's their business.

But then again, now I see what Klaus was getting at with the child porn bit, so...

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