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Old 01-16-2004, 11:56 PM   #16
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Right but what I'm saying is that anything that harms another being I don't believe falls under free speech. So given that parameter, is there any book that anyone sees that should be banned?
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Old 01-17-2004, 01:44 AM   #17
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Right but what I'm saying is that anything that harms another being I don't believe falls under free speech. So given that parameter, is there any book that anyone sees that should be banned?
I can't really think of any. A book itself will not harm anybody, and nobody's ever forced to read a book whose views they may not agree with.

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Old 01-18-2004, 12:00 PM   #18
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Here's an interesting article about Censorship:

"Sharon praises 'art vandal' envoy
Israeli-born artist Dror Feiler (r): Mazel "tried to stop free speech"
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has praised his ambassador to Sweden after he vandalised an art exhibit featuring a Palestinian suicide bomber."

You can read the full story at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3407517.stm

are u Pro/Con censorship in that case?

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Interesting case - is this censorship, or is the vandalism another form of speech?
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fahrenheit 451, anyone?

anyway, i don't believe any book should be censored. we have the first amendment to thank for that. it is great that people can make movies and write books debunking things our government tells us and dissing our president.

it seems so many people now can't just not read something or not watch something. omigor, it offends ME, so remove it! i wouldn't mind if people were just speaking out against it, but some seem to forget others have the freedom of speech, too.
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while it is obvious this geologic group has no ground in calling for the book to be banned, they would have been much wiser to suggest it unwise to sell such a book in such an establishment. by the same token, it would be wise for the bookstore to offer a 'scientific alternative' of sorts...i cant see the article as im not a subscriber, apologies if these points of view are raised within it.

while the first amendment is great it should not be blindly believed to facilitate an entirely open discussion. market forces prevent a lot of information from being disseminated for the rightful reason that they would be poor products. but market forces can also stifle legitimate discussions on contentious matters. there is usually space for people on the fringes of mainstream consensus (m moore, n chomsky are 2 popular examples) but one must always be mindful of what else is out there.
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Our local public library recently celebrated 'Read a Banned Book' week.
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Examples of books that should be banned:
Various how to make bombs and other killing machines.
Various hard drug cookbooks in countries where hard drugs are illegal.
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Examples of books that should be banned:
Various how to make bombs and other killing machines.
Various hard drug cookbooks in countries where hard drugs are illegal.
See this is what I was waiting for someone to bring up. Something like the Anarchist's Cookbook.

To me this is an interesting debate here because there's a lot of gray lines here. Now something like this book does not tell you to kill, does not tell you to harm, does not tell you to do anything, but only gives the means by which to do so. But only if used in the wrong hands(remind you of a Charleston Heston quote?). Does this really cross the lines of free speech? What if someone calls out self defense? The book may show you how to set up traps to protect your house then you'll start crossing the lines that gun control sets up.

Plus the biggest problem you have with banning books like this is that they are all over the internet.
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Examples of books that should be banned:
Various how to make bombs and other killing machines.
Various hard drug cookbooks in countries where hard drugs are illegal.
I respectfully disagree. It's not the knowledge that's the problem, it's the putting that knowledge into action that would be offensive (and I'm not that bothered by your second example anyway).
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The only books that should be banned are those written by disgruntled ex-employees of U2 Especially when these books claim that Bono had special shoes made to boost his height.
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LOL ^^^^.

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I respectfully disagree. It's not the knowledge that's the problem, it's the putting that knowledge into action that would be offensive (and I'm not that bothered by your second example anyway).
Exactly. And ditto KhanadaRhodes and BonoVoxSupastar's posts, too. .

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I respectfully disagree. It's not the knowledge that's the problem, it's the putting that knowledge into action that would be offensive (and I'm not that bothered by your second example anyway).
Along these lines, child pornography books should not be censored, the crime is in the making of the child pornography.
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Along these lines, child pornography books should not be censored, the crime is in the making of the child pornography.
No because in the case of child pornography someone was already harmed in the making of this material. You would be viewing the real true to life of a child being harmed. It's very different than material that can be used to harm someone, because almost anything can be argued as something that can harm someone.
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Still, along this line of thinking, if you punished all those who created child pornography, would it be okay to publish the pictures taken or is this censorship?
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