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Old 12-16-2004, 05:12 PM   #16
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Anywho, my dad's said before that society has a habit of building people, be they famous or not, up-we love to see them get successful, cheer them on, and help those that are famous become famous by buying their albums or watching their movies or reading their books or whatever-and then once they are built up, we tend to start tearing them down for some reason. Doing that, to me, seems kinda stupid when you think about it.
No, I think its the media and the PR firms that really build them up. Media outlets are always looking for ways to sell their newspapers or boost their ratings. Since there's an obsession with celebrities these days, they'll focus much of their publishing or airtime on that. And where do they get their information? From the PR firms, who are trying to promote their clients (the celebrity) by overhyping them or focusing on their personal lives, if there's anything shockworthy. As you're all aware of, the entertainment business is very competitive. It seems as if being successful in it isn't about talent and making wise career choices anymore. Its about media exposure and making wise PR moves.

Most media outlets get their news from PR firms as much as or more so than news wires. PR firms have a lot of influence in what is reported in the news, because the public likes to read about celebrities and seem to go along with all the hype about someone. Media outlets notice this, so they'll report on celebrities as much as possible to get the ratings and sales.

As for the public tearing down someone, I think its because people realize or get sick of the hype, and the PR stunts, and the press releases where someone would talk about their personal lives, and then there's the backlash. Its like the public gets so tired of a celebrity manipulating people into believing they are something worth paying attention to (when chances are they're not) so their albums would sell, their movies would be seen, or simply their names would be in the papers and they would be famous. So, the people retaliate!

And the celebrities I mean are someone like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Angelina Jolie (she could've relied on her talent for her fame, but she'll letting her personal life and her tattoos do the work now), and other people who are more famous for their antics or personal lives than their work.
I do not mean all celebrities, and certainly not Bono.
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Bashing or gossiping about celebrities isn't all that different IMO to what people do to people they know in their regular lives. It's just some innate need to discuss and criticise I guess.
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As for the public tearing down someone, I think its because people realize or get sick of the hype, and the PR stunts, and the press releases where someone would talk about their personal lives, and then there's the backlash. Its like the public gets so tired of a celebrity manipulating people into believing they are something worth paying attention to (when chances are they're not) so their albums would sell, their movies would be seen, or simply their names would be in the papers and they would be famous. So, the people retaliate!

And the celebrities I mean are someone like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Angelina Jolie (she could've relied on her talent for her fame, but she'll letting her personal life and her tattoos do the work now), and other people who are more famous for their antics or personal lives than their work.
I do not mean all celebrities, and certainly not Bono.
That's how I feel. I poke fun at untalented, overhyped celebrities all the time, and I don't feel guilty about it at all. It's my way of dealing with having to see and hear celebrity gossip everywhere I turn. I admire celebrities whose talent speaks for itself - they aren't the ones I bash.
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Jealousy is my answer. Oh, can't resist thinking about how Nelly complains about downloading music, yet he's got enough money to buy us all a nice home. Am I a little jealous of Nelly? Of course I am.
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There is an economic component to celebrity. The individual is making more money by being a "celebrity". That additional income comes from the public ability to cheer or jeer the individual.
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That's how I feel. I poke fun at untalented, overhyped celebrities all the time, and I don't feel guilty about it at all. It's my way of dealing with having to see and hear celebrity gossip everywhere I turn. I admire celebrities whose talent speaks for itself - they aren't the ones I bash.
And you get to decide who is talented enough to bash or not bash? That is bullshit, there is no excuse for constantly tearing other people down. Yes, they realize that becoming a celebrity means that people will pry into their private lives, but that does not make it right. I sometimes bash people too but I am certainly not proud of it and would not justify it. Granted there are some celebrities that are so removed from the normal realm of humanity that they are just asking for ridicule (Michael Jackson anyone?) but it is cruel to constantly make fun of people like Lindsay Lohan. Maybe she says and does some stupid things, but she is 18! Think about how you would of felt at 18 to be constantly reading about your horrible father, your feud with someone else your age, and the parties that you go to. Show at least a little compassion.
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I actually feel bad in a way for girls like Lindsay and Britney and them, because people constantly spread rumors about whether or not they had implants and stuff (what business is it of ours anyway? If they did, okay, if not, okay, it's their body, they can do with it what they please. I don't understand why people care so much about that stuff), and then there's people that make all these judgements about their sex lives based on how they dress and stuff like that (I always find it funny to hear women calling girls like Britney and them "sluts" or "tramps" or "hoes" or whatever...a lot of these women that call other women those names are the same women that get all offended when men use those exact same words to describe women. If it's not okay for men to use those words, why is it okay for women to use them?).

Also, Pearl, I do agree that those things play a major role in people becoming big, but the general public definitely plays a role, too. Managers and PR people can sometimes do a lousy job of promoting an artist or an actor or whatever, and so sometimes the best way for them to get exposure is by having the fans make a big deal out of them, constantly requesting to see their videos on TV or hear their songs on the radio or see them in magazines or whatever. And so they get built up to be something noticeable, and then once they are noticeable, there are people out there that will want to tear them down.

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It is often said that the downside to fame is having people pry into your personal life.
Well, if celebrities don't like having people talking about their privacy, then why are some celebrities so open with their personal lives? In Lindsay Lohan's case, if she doesn't want people to talk about her father, then why is she talking about him in interviews? She does not have to talk about her dad if she doesn't want to; no one has a gun to her head. But,she chooses to discuss him, therefore, giving the public the right to gossip, and even make judgements on her. Some celebrities' attitudes towards people prying into their personal lives contradicts their behaviour towards the press. They talk about their privacy on all the talk shows and to all the magazines, and then complain about people judging them or the media focusing on them. They're the ones giving the public and/or media the ammunition.
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Also, Pearl, I do agree that those things play a major role in people becoming big, but the general public definitely plays a role, too. Managers and PR people can sometimes do a lousy job of promoting an artist or an actor or whatever and so sometimes the best way for them to get exposure is by having the fans make a big deal out of them, constantly requesting to see their videos on TV or hear their songs on the radio or see them in magazines or whatever. And so they get built up to be something noticeable, and then once they are noticeable, there are people out there that will want to tear them down
How do they have fans make a big deal about them? Do you mean, they pay people to talk about them, using word-of-mouth in order to get the rest of the public to notice someone?
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And you get to decide who is talented enough to bash or not bash? That is bullshit, there is no excuse for constantly tearing other people down. Yes, they realize that becoming a celebrity means that people will pry into their private lives, but that does not make it right. I sometimes bash people too but I am certainly not proud of it and would not justify it. Granted there are some celebrities that are so removed from the normal realm of humanity that they are just asking for ridicule (Michael Jackson anyone?) but it is cruel to constantly make fun of people like Lindsay Lohan. Maybe she says and does some stupid things, but she is 18! Think about how you would of felt at 18 to be constantly reading about your horrible father, your feud with someone else your age, and the parties that you go to. Show at least a little compassion.
I'm not the one prying into Lindsay Lohan's private life. I don't give a crap about her private life. I don't care about the private life of any celebrity. If the tabloids and the E channel and everyone stopped reporting on celebrities' private lives, I would be very, very happy. And if you are a professional entertainer, the public has every right to comment on your performance, whether they think it is good or bad. It's not like making fun of some poor kid who goofs up at a recital.

You are right about one thing, though. When the celebrity is a teen like Lindsay, bashing them is a little unfair (although I think the obnoxious stage parents and the big PR machines and whatnot are certainly fair game for bashing). I really wasn't thinking of teens so much when I made my original post. But by all means, feel free to get all self-righteous on me if it makes you happy.
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actually, i think Lindsay Lohan deserves everything she gets. sorry -- i'll defend many celebrities to the end, but not her. what i find offensive is the cross-marketing, everyone wanting to be a J-Lo triple threat and sing, dance, and act.

in the end, i blame britney. lindsay is her devil spawn.
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Oh, I must admit, I adore a bit of celebrity-bashing. I'm probably one of the world's worst culprits. Call it jealousy, envy, hatred, mirth, frivolity, stupidity or just plain spite - its the best way to cope with the fact that someone with so many more shortcomings than yourself has more money than you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes.

Not a nice answer, I know, but its honest!

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P.S. - I would just like to say that 'celebrities' like Britney Spears really do bring it on themselves. The relationship between a certain type of celebrity and the media is, I think, quite a complex one. They both use each other at different stages in order to achieve different things, and usually, neither are satisfied.
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I don't get envying or admiring people for being rich. Especially since a lot of rich people have or earn far too much money than they deserve. I mean, $30 million for a movie? That's sick!
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Personally, I don't even read stuff about most celebrities. I find most of them boring as hell. The ones who aren't boring are the ones I admire, like Bono or Chris Martin or Gwynneth Paltrow, who's an excellent actress. If they want to talk about their babies or whatever to the press, I admit it, I'm a sucker because I think babies are cute. I'm getting a kick out of reading about Chris' and Gwynneth's baby. She's darling, and the proud parents are now bragging that she's into U2. If No-Talent Celebrity X is talking about her midnight wedding, on the other hand, I really couldn't care less.
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How do they have fans make a big deal about them? Do you mean, they pay people to talk about them, using word-of-mouth in order to get the rest of the public to notice someone?
No, no payment involved, and the celebrities don't get involved in this part of it, either. Like I said, if it seems to the fans that their favorite celebrity's managers or PR people aren't doing a good enough job of promoting them, then the fans take it upon themselves to tell people about how great this person is by constantly requesting their songs/videos or flocking to see their movies or watching their shows and then telling their friends to see it and stuff like that.

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