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Old 01-23-2005, 11:39 AM   #76
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I've learned A LOT about using protection, so I can't say I've only seen the abstinence only programs. I will see if I can get back to you about the Muslim areas that are preventing sex ed.
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My belief is that we should teach abstinance AND about sex.

That's how I learned it. You can be taught about sex without the school handing out free condoms. That's basically promoting sex.
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I don't think handing out condoms is the same as promoting sex, per se, but I do believe that abstinence should be recommended, to a certain extent.

At the risk of sounding like Mother Hen, I don't really like the attitude that too many young people have of 'sleeping on the first (or second, or third) date. I just dont like it, and its not really all that helpful in this day and age.

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You are right about the Muslims who don't allow sex-ed, the facts support it. However, I fail to see much of a link between THEM and US. You mean to tell me that we aren't informing students about any means of protection? I would like some professional sources.

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemo..._index.php?l=4

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"Statistics show that condoms really have not been very effective. It's been the principal prevention device for the last 20 years, and I think one needs only to look at what's happening with the infection rates in the world to recognize that has not been working."

-- U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator Randall Tobias, 4/22/04
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You can be taught about sex without the school handing out free condoms. That's basically promoting sex.
Just like putting a fire extinguisher at the end of the hall promotes arson? That is ridiculous.
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My belief is that we should teach abstinance AND about sex.

That's how I learned it. You can be taught about sex without the school handing out free condoms. That's basically promoting sex.
Absolutely. You don't need to pass out condoms like some kind of freak show to educate people on them. I would also like to agree with Anthony about the attitudes of those teenage bed pets who sleep on the first date.


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Among his honors, Tobias was named Pharmaceutical Industry CEO of the Year by the Wall Street Transcript in 1995, and CEO of the Year in 1996 by Working Mother magazine. In 1997, he was named one of the “Top Twenty-Five Managers of the Year” by Business Week, Magazine. He was also named the “Norman Vincent Peale Humanitarian of the Year” in 1997.
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Just like putting a fire extinguisher at the end of the hall promotes arson? That is ridiculous.
What justifies this comparison?
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You are right about the Muslims who don't allow sex-ed, the facts support it. However, I fail to see much of a link between THEM and US. You mean to tell me that we aren't informing students about any means of protection? I would like some professional sources.

Sorry did I say there was a link? I said abstinence only programs are dangerous in America because religion gets in the way of teaching ALL the facts.

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"Statistics show that condoms really have not been very effective. It's been the principal prevention device for the last 20 years, and I think one needs only to look at what's happening with the infection rates in the world to recognize that has not been working."

-- U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator Randall Tobias, 4/22/04
I'm a little perplexed by this quote. We would have to know how many people are using condoms or have access to condoms before we say they aren't working.
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What justifies this comparison?
They are both for our protection.
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They are both for our protection.
One doesn't typically bring a fire extiguisher along to an arson.
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One doesn't typically bring a fire extiguisher along to an arson.
And those that don't care about protection won't bring a condom.
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It is a fact that homosexuals are statistically more likely to have HIV. Yes, more heterosexuals have HIV just because there's an overwhelmingly large amount of heterosexuals compared to homosexuals in this world. Percentage-wise though, it's not even close.
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And those that don't care about protection won't bring a condom.
Or they simply don't have sex.

but we can't possibly suggest that now, sorry....
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It is a fact that homosexuals are statistically more likely to have HIV. Yes, more heterosexuals have HIV just because there's an overwhelmingly large amount of heterosexuals compared to homosexuals in this world. Percentage-wise though, it's not even close.
So once again what is your point in pointing this out?
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Or they simply don't have sex.

but we can't possibly suggest that now, sorry....
Have you ever seen me state where I don't think abstinence is a good idea? No so please don't put words in my mouth, I just don't believe in abstinence ONLY programs.
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